Kinsella/Carroll

[sookie23]

I have actually been thinking the same and added the surnames at Burns Road to Elizabeth or even Gerald. (I'm beginning to actually hate these two people )

I'm certain the Elizabeth at Talbot Road is the same at Burns Road, as I cant find any record of Elizabeth at Talbot Road after her husbands death.

[sookie23]

Hi Everyone

Turns out Sadie was actually Elizabeth.

I found her on the 1939 census married to a John Kinsella then she was at Burns road after he died in 1946 and stayed there until her death in 1966.

Her marriage certificate to John puts her down as Elizabeth Carroll widow and her fathers name Patrick Condon. Hoping this gets me a bit closer to finding Gerald Carroll.

[Pam Downes]

Thanks for the update.

Where did Elizabeth and John marry? e.g. Roman Catholic church, C of E church, register office?

Pam

[Pamelawagster]

So it looks like the marraige and the children in posts #4 & #5 can be disregarded.

[grisel]

Thanks for letting us know. Was there an occupation for Patrick Condon given on the marriage certificate?

[sookie23]

marriage certificate

26 June 1937 Register Office district of Willesden county of Middlesex

John Kinsella 48 widower general labourer 21 Greenhill park Harlesden Lawrence Kinsella Labourer
Elizabeth Carroll 40 widow cook same address Patrick Condon shoeing smith.

I think the children can de disregarded.

Not to sure I believe she ever married a Carroll, its just a gut feeling I have.

[grisel]

That is interesting. There are a few possible Elizabeth Condons born Ireland to consider. One in particular was born Labamolagga, Mitchelstown reg dist Cork. 20May 1897, father Patrick blacksmith. Free to download from Irish genealogy website. She is with the family as Eliza age 3 at Labbamolagga West Templemologa Co Cork in 1901 but not with the family in 1911. I haven't found a death so far ( 11 children, 9 still living though so possible). At 13 she could be in service somewhere.
There was another Elizabeth with father Patrick I did see, but forget where, but father was a labourer. 1901 and 1911 Irish censuses are free to view at National Archives Ireland.

[sookie23]

I have now found him (hopefully) Elizabeth went to the USA in 1915.
His birth record shows him just as a male Condon mother Elizabet living in a hotel no father. Records show an E Condon 23 and a G Condon 1 yr 1 month coming back to Labamolagga in February 1919 New York to Liverpool.

Still no idea where the Carroll came into it.

[Sandyhall]

Hi Everyone

Turns out Sadie was actually Elizabeth.

I found her on the 1939 census married to a John Kinsella then she was at Burns road after he died in 1946 and stayed there until her death in 1966.

Her marriage certificate to John puts her down as Elizabeth Carroll widow and her fathers name Patrick Condon. Hoping this gets me a bit closer to finding Gerald Carroll.

Did you get this marriage cert -

Name - Joseph Carroll
Registration Date Apr 1923
Registration Quarter Apr-May-Jun
Registration district Bucklow
Inferred County Cheshire
Spouse Sadie Kinsella
Volume Number 8a
Page number 456

or did you get something else

[Pam Downes]

Did you get this marriage cert -

Name - Joseph Carroll
Registration Date Apr 1923
Registration Quarter Apr-May-Jun
Registration district Bucklow
Inferred County Cheshire
Spouse Sadie Kinsella
Volume Number 8a
Page number 456

or did you get something else

That Sadie Kinsella one was irrelevant as it was proved that Sadie was a figment of someone's imagination. The lady we're looking for was called Elizabeth, who at some time had the surname of Carroll and she married Joseph KInsella in 1947. See post #29 for details from the marriage certificate.

Pam