Chiverton family porthsmouth england

[wcihchs]

Hi
My grandfather side or our family were from porthsmouth england

Charles austin chiverton b 1895 porthsmouth
His brother Thomas Sydney chiverton b.1893
Leila Beatrice chiverton b 1899
Edith Chiverton b 1891

His parents
Thomas Chiverton b 1861
Alice chiverton. Maiden name Hartley b 1865
Alice was from Bures Suffolk England

The above info is from 1911 census and
Royal Navy barracks rolls porthsmouth 1911

They lived at 57 Harold rd, south sea port o hants. Porthsmouth

My grandfather went in to Royal Navy in 1911 he was about 15 yrs old
He trained in Shotley as a Seaman/Leading torpedo man
Pops serial number J11683

His brother Thomas, trained at a shore station as an Artificer
His Serial number M775

I found out about a year ago that my grandfather parents, Thomas and Alice chiverton
Both died in 1914
They are listed in death register for England
April May June 1914

I have not been able to find out their cause of death which Imwould like to know.

In our family, the war changed everything as it did for many British families

Their death was then followed by tragedy in family from war

In March 1915, Charles austin was serving on HMS Irresistible during Dardenelle
Strait campaign the prelude to Gallipoli
His ship was hit by mines and bombarded by Turkish guns.
There was a lot of casualties and horrific battle.
Charles made it out with some wound to arm .
Charles would be assigned to HMS Inflexible and his ship fought at Battle for Jutland.

In June of 1915, Thomas sidney, was a 4 th class artificer on the Hms Mohawk
His ship,assigned to the Dover Patrols.
The Mohawk hit a German mine that one of German subs had layer out.
Thomas was killed in June 1 1915.

This was devastating for my grandfather and his younger sister Leila.

What I am trying to find out if possible
The cause of death for my great grandparents Thomas and Alice chiverton 1914
Where they are buried.
I know where Thomas is buried. Highland rd cemetary Porthsmouth.

Also, Imwould like to know where Leila and Edith are buried
Leila married a man named Randall around 1920
Edith married a man named Smith, probably before parents died

Leila also had one son named Ray whom I met in 1968
I don’t know if Edith had any children.

This means a lot,to me because the war and pops loss of his brother and parents
We’re instrumental to him coming to America in 1920.
He met my grand mum in New York and my dad born in 1921.
His name was Charles sidney chiverton.
He died in 1968
He enlisted US Navy 1940
Served in European theatre on Convoy escort duty
Then transferred to Pacific theatre on USS Guest DD 472
Destroyer.
3 years in pacific war.
He was a Torpedoman who went from Sn to Chief. Not uncommon then.

Any help that can Be offered much appreciated

If I have put, too much requests into one thread , let me know and I will break it down over a few

Thanks very much

Sincerely
Chris chiverton

[Megan Roberts]

In order to discover the causes of death of Thomas and Alice Chiverton you will need to purchase their death certificates.

This you can do on line directly from the Government - its the cheapest and most efficient way of doing so:

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/

If you order the certificates as "pdf" - you get black and white versions for £7.00 each. If you want full colour paper copies that are posted to you they cost £11.00 each.

If order to place the order you can either use the following details, or simply search the index on that site and then order.

Thomas Chiverton aged 54 - GRO Reference: 1914 J Quarter in PORTSMOUTH Volume 02B Page 653

Alice Chiverton aged 49 - GRO Reference: 1914 J Quarter in PORTSMOUTH Volume 02B Page 642

[Megan Roberts]

I have just found a newspaper article about the death of Thomas Chiverton. He killed himself about a month after his wife died.

There are two newspapers. One is a report of the inquest into his death, and the second is a report of his daughter's marriage a month later.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1sZn...ew?usp=sharing


https://drive.google.com/file/d/151j...ew?usp=sharing


Hopefully I have put in the links correctly!!

[Pam Downes]

Hi Chris,

To add slightly to Megan's post (she's a much faster typist than me!), if, once you've registered with the GRO you 'Search the Index' and enter name and year, beside the reult you will see a radio button. Click that and then you get an option to order either a PDF or a certificate simply by pressing the link. Saves a lot of faff filling in quarters and volume and page numbers.

However, I can tell you the cause of Thomas' death, and I'm sorry, but it isn't pretty reading.
There's a report in the Portsmouth Evening News 26 June 1914.
Like the other article I found about the Paxtons, this one is available on Findmypast, in their Newspapers dataset. This is linked to the British Newspaper Archive (google for actual web address). IIRC, you can view your first three articles for free on the BNA. Then you have to take out a subscription.

Thomas died near the end of JUne, about a month after Alice.

Just done some more checking, and there's actually another, shorter article, in the same paper, same page.
Short article, bottom of column 3; other one top of column 6. Both on page 5.

p.s. Apparently Megan does other stuff faster than me, too.

Pam

[wcihchs]

Thanks again.
Hard news, I knew something wasnt right.
My grandfather was the finest man I have ever known.
What he went through in the war and then with his parents was devastating for him.
He never talked about them.
Now I know.

Sincerely
Chris chiverton

[wcihchs]

Thank you Megan for your help.
It’s hard news, but I have searched for years to try and find out what happened to my grandfathers family
And why he came to America after the war.
As fine a man As I have ever known, war and parents tragedy real impacted his whole life.
I knew doing this family project,to tie all the ends together would not be without difficult moments.
Thank you again

Sincerely
Chris chiverton

[Megan Roberts]

When we start on the trail of family history we never know what we are going to find. I don't know whether you have gone back any further in time, but I thought that this might be of interest to you:

If you look at the 1911 Census you can find Thomas and Alice living at 7 Harold Road Southsea, Portsmouth, Hampshire, together with their daughters Edith and Leila and Thomas’s father, Thomas who was 90 years old.
Looking at the originally return, I can see that Thomas and Alice had been married for 23 years, and that they had had 4 children, all of whom were alive. His father was said to be bedridden. I don’t know how much you know about Bures, Suffolk, but this is a link to the GENUKI page covering it:
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/SFK/StMaryBures


Thomas Chiverton and Alice Hartley married in 1887 at Portsea, Island (Portsmouth) and the index references are July quarter Vol 2b Page 695. That certificate can also be bought on line from the address I gave you previously, but unfortunately in the case of marriage certificates, you have to buy a paper copy. The Government web site, has a section called frequently asked questions, and that will give you details of what information you will find in each type of certificate.

Thomas joined the Royal Artillery 13 Nov 1883, when he was 18. His service number was 39902. You can see the record on Findmypast. At the time of attesting (joining up) he was a bricklayer. He was discharged in Nov 1897. He deserted about a year after joining, but then re-joined in Malta, where he spent about 2.5 years. It lists his father as George rather than Thomas. So was this an error, or is this a mystery to be solved?

There is a likely birth record for him in 1861 at Portsea Island. It’s the April quarter Vol 2B Page 409. His mother’s maiden name is French. There was a marriage in 1857 at Portsea Island between a Thomas Chiverton, and Sarah Jane French – April quarter Vol 2B page 612. You can find them in the:
1861 Census references Piece 643 Folio 141 Page 25
1871 Census references Piece 1144 Folio 30 Page 9 – Thomas snr is missing, but he could have been at sea as he was a fisherman
1881 Census references Piece 1158 Folio 84 Page 27
1891 Census references Piece 876 Folio 46 Page 4
1901 Census references Piece 1005 Folio 14 Page 19 – by this time Thomas snr was a widower. Sarah died in 1893

[Pam Downes]

Re the finding in your other thread of Richard Paxton at TNA, I thought I'd check out possible Chiverton entries there. But judging by the details you've given in your first post I presume you have the details of your Chivertons (including Thomas born 1861) found in this list.
https://discovery.nationalarchives.g...20188&id=C1897

Pam

[Pam Downes]

When we start on the trail of family history we never know what we are going to find. I don't know whether you have gone back any further in time, but I thought that this might be of interest to you:
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Thomas joined the Royal Artillery 13 Nov 1883, when he was 18. His service number was 39902. You can see the record on Findmypast. At the time of attesting (joining up) he was a bricklayer. He was discharged in Nov 1897. He deserted about a year after joining, but then re-joined in Malta, where he spent about 2.5 years. It lists his father as George rather than Thomas. So was this an error, or is this a mystery to be solved?

There is a likely birth record for him in 1861 at Portsea Island. It’s the April quarter Vol 2B Page 409. His mother’s maiden name is French. There was a marriage in 1857 at Portsea Island between a Thomas Chiverton, and Sarah Jane French – April quarter Vol 2B page 612. You can find them in the:
1861 Census references Piece 643 Folio 141 Page 25
1871 Census references Piece 1144 Folio 30 Page 9 – Thomas snr is missing, but he could have been at sea as he was a fisherman
1881 Census references Piece 1158 Folio 84 Page 27
1891 Census references Piece 876 Folio 46 Page 4
1901 Census references Piece 1005 Folio 14 Page 19 – by this time Thomas snr was a widower. Sarah died in 1893

Megan has just failed her maths exam.
Born 1861 means that in 1883 someone will be 22, not 18.
Also, the newspaper report about Thomas' death says that he was a Naval pensioner.
Think he's the one in the list I gave Chris in my previous post.

So I reckon I've solved the 'mystery' of the father's name of the 18-year old Thomas in 1883.

Pam

[Megan Roberts]

Megan has just failed her maths exam.
Born 1861 means that in 1883 someone will be 22, not 18.
Also, the newspaper report about Thomas' death says that he was a Naval pensioner.
Think he's the one in the list I gave Chris in my previous post.

So I reckon I've solved the 'mystery' of the father's name of the 18-year old Thomas in 1883.

Pam

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