John Robertson disappears after 1871

[PDietricjh]

I am looking for what happened to my great-grandfather, John Robertson, a Licensed Victualler, according to 1871 Census of Islington, Finsbury, Lower Holloway, London. Wife was Sarah, children Charlotte (may have been a servant/barmaid), Catherine (my grandmother), John Henry, Alexander, Walter, nursery maid Isabella Dean, and Henry Ellis (general steward?). Cannot find anything after 1871 for him or wife. What happened to them? Thank you.

[christanel]

Welcome to the Brit-gen forums
As your post is asking for help locating John Robertson, victualler, after 1871 and not really about his occupation as such, I have given your post a thread of its own in the Brickwall forum. It should get plenty of attention there as our members love solving puzzles.
I also edited out your original first sentence so as not to confuse us
The title for your new thread is "John Robertson disappears after 1871."
Christina

[christanel]

1871 census information for those wanting to help
Piece: 272 Folio: 30 Page 12
6 Hungerford Road Finsbury Lower Holloway.
John Robertson 43 Head Licenced victualer born St James. Westminster
Sarah Robertson 34 Wife born St James. Westminster
Charlotte Robertson 43 Single Servant/Barmaid born St Augustins Bristol.
Catharine Robertson 6 Daughter Willesden
John Henry Robertson 5 Son Willesden
Alexander E Robertson 3 Willesden
Walter Robertson 1 Son St Mary Islington
Isabella Dean 19 Servant/Nursery maid Chesham Buckinghamshire
Harry Elliss 23 Servant Chesham Buckinghamshire

Charlotte is the same age as John so definitely not a daughter of his. A sister perhaps or just a coincidence they have the same surname.

Christina

[christanel]

Another of their children
Find a Grave
Janet Henrietta Robertson
Birth Date Dec 1866
Death Date 17 July 1870
Cemetery St. Mary's Churchyard
Burial or Cremation Place - Willesden, London Borough of Brent, Greater London, England
Father John Robertson
Mother Sarah Robertson

Sarah Robertson
Birth Date 18 Feb 1838
Death Date 23 May 1874
Cemetery St. Mary's Churchyard
Burial or Cremation Place Willesden, London Borough of Brent, Greater London, England
Spouse: John Robertson
Children Janet Henrietta Robertson
URL: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/...arah-robertson

John Robertson
Birth Date 17 Dec 1827
Death Date 14 Oct 1874
Cemetery St. Mary's Churchyard
Burial or Cremation Place Willesden, London Borough of Brent, Greater London, England
Spouse Sarah Robertson
Children Janet Henrietta Robertson

All three in the same grave. There is a picture of their headstone
So John is missing in 1881 census.

Christina

[Jomot1]

So John is missing in 1881 census.

Not if he was buried in 1874 he's not

[christanel]

Not if he was buried in 1874 he's not

Thank goodness someone is keeping track of what I am doing.

So both parents died 1874.
Your grandmother Catherine was in a boarding school (from memory) in 1881 and married in 1884. The original church record is on ancestry. Her father was recorded as a publican but it does not say deceased, however it wasn't mandatory to record that info. It could depend on how the question was asked ie "What is your father's name and occupation.?" If not asked whether deceased or alive the information may not be offered.

Do you have the information on the siblings of your grandmother Catherine after 1881?
Christina

[PDietricjh]

Wow, thank you, for re-directing my query appropriately, and the clarification of census entry. One question if you know these things....the entry did show the Robertsons living at 6 & 7 Hungerford and the number of houses inhabited as 2. How could they have two houses???

[PDietricjh]

I shouldn't keep saying wow, but Wow, Christina. You have filled in entire chapters in my history that I've been unsuccessfully working on for years. So my grandmother was in a boarding school? I did have one record showing her as "scholar" at age 16, and living on her own. (For some reason I can no longer find that record. Could you share with me where it is?) Now I understand why she was on her own.
I have no information about my grandmother's siblings at all. I do have one photograph of her and she appears very formidable! She and her husband Carl Frederick Dietrich named their second son Alexander Frederick. I assumed that was after her brother, but I know nothing of them.

[christanel]

Hi
The transcripts only of the UK census are on familysearch.org which is a free sit. Also ancestry.com has a free library version so your local library may have it. More teords are coming online all the time meanwhile here is John Henry born c1866

1891 RG12 piece 142 folio 36 page 4
8 Flowers Mews, Upper Holloway Islington London, England
John Robertson 25 Boarder
Born Islington, London,
Occupation is hard to read - barkeeper? journey man.

He appears to be in a boarding house but only the number and name of street is given and there are many others boarding there.

I can only see a John Robertson of the right age as master of a ship in 1901 although this occupation seems very different.
Vessel name - No 3 Hopper a steamer.
Stanley Dock, Liverpool
John Robertson, 34 Single born London, Master of vessel involved in dredging.
There are 6 other crew members.

1911 Piece: 9963
Station Restaurant, Tilbury Docks, Essex
John Robertson 45 Servant/Assistant Manager, Widowed born Pimlico, London

So was he married and widowed between 1901 and 1911?

Christina

[christanel]

Possible marriage of John Robertson and Sarah parents of your grandmother Catherine

On same page FreeBMD
Marriages Dec 1/4 1859
Sarah McDermott
John Robertson registration district Marylebone vol 1a page 868

Birth registration of John Henry 1866 on the free GRO index (google it)
ROBERTSON, JOHN HENRY mother's maiden name MCDERMOTT
GRO Reference: 1866 March Quarter reg dist HENDON Volume 03A Page 108

ROBERTSON, CATHERINE mmn MCDERMOTT
GRO Reference: 1864 Sept Quarter reg dist HENDON Volume 03A Page 10

I haven't looked for the others but you can search for them on the free GRO index. You have to register but no charges.
Christina