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    Ethel May Brownhill, one of Frank;s sisters, never married but trained as a nurse, midwife, and is on the UK, Physiotherapy and Masseuse Registers, 1895 -1980. In later life she lived in Cornwall and died there
    19 February 1962. Probate 4182 pounds 10 shillings to Lloyds Bank.

    Another sister Elsie Mary Brownhill also remained single and died age 95 March 1/4 1978 registration district Sedgemoor Somerset. probate 1260 pounds. At one point she is on the Electoral roll in Yorkshire but in the 1939 register she is a domestic servant on the Isle of Wight in the household of Lilian and Edna Lyons.

    The youngest sister Lilian appears to have married an Ernest William Lyons who served in WW1 and his service record survives and is on ancestry.com. So it appears that Elsie May was living with her sister Lilian Lyons nee Brownhill on the 1939 register on the Isle of Wight. The sisters may not have left England but they certainly didn't stay in Walsall.
    Lilian married Ernest William Lyons in Cornwall 1917 so was she with her eldest sister Ethel May then? Possible death Holywell Flintshire October 1966 age 82.

    On the 1939 register with Lilian Lyons nee Brownhill is an Edna N Lyons born 1922 and she married a Maynard according to the addition to her surname. The marriage is on FreeBMD Dec 1/4 1949 registration district Southampton. Spouse Stanley H Maynard. There are two possible births to this couple, a son in 1951 and a daughter in 1954 both on FreeBMD.
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    From the 1871 census I gave you of the Brownhill siblings I looked up the births of Mercy and Silas on the GRO index, being the most unusual names, and they are there with the mother's maiden name Johnson although mercy's does not have a first name for her so they probably hadn't decide what name they were going to give her.

    As the parents of these children were married prior to registration we are reliant on parish records and familysearch.org has this marriage and it is on ancestry.
    Elizabeth Johnson
    Marriage - 17 Mar 1828
    Marriage Place -Saint Thomas, Dudley,Worcester,England
    Spouse - William Brownhill
    FHL Film Number - 378762, 378763, 378764, 378765, 378766, 378767, 378768, 378769, 378770

    here is the family in 1851

    Piece 2022 Folio 395 Page 24
    Birchills? Hall,Walsall
    William Brownhill 45 Blast furnace manager born Tipton
    Elizabeth Brownhill 42 Shrewsbury, Shropshire,
    Edward Brownhill 20 Cashier Tipton
    Rowland W Brownhill 17 Engineer Tipton
    Theophilus P Brownhill 15 Scholar Tipton
    Mercy Brownhill 13 Bilston
    John D Brownhill 10 Bilston
    Silas Brownhill 9 Bilston
    William Brownhill 7 Bilston
    Elizabeth S Brownhill 4 Bilston
    Sarah Brownhill 2 Bilston
    Joseph Brownhill 8 Months Bloxwich, Staffordshire,
    Ann Smith 18 Servant

    Elizabeth, the mother, dies before the 1861 census but William is in the 1861, 1871 and 1881 censuses.
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    Christina, My goodness, Elizabeth Johnson/Brownhill was inundated with children! Not surprised the poor lady died young. That is just such an interesting family, with the varying occupations etc. Thank you so much for checking this out. I am sure my friend will be interested and amazed.

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    Mary Jane Fenn daughter of Samuel Fenn and Jane was baptised 24 February 1850 at St. Peter's, Wolverhampton, Stafford, FHL Film Number 1040895 Reference ID:item 4 p 29.
    As Pam has said the mother Jane's maiden name is not Welch but Bratt and there are trees on ancestry with this couple on them.
    Samuel Fenn
    Marriage Date - 27 Jan 1840
    Marriage Place -St. Martin, Tipton, Stafford, England
    Father Robert Fenn
    Spouse - Jane Bratt
    FHL Film Number 1526189 Reference ID: 2:3P7JWXW

    1871 RG10 Piece 2946 folio 62 page 15
    Pool Hayes Willenhall
    Samuel Fenn 54 Coal master employing 30 men and 4 boys born Bilston
    Jane Fenn 49 Bilston Staffordshire
    Enoch Fenn 25 Machine man at colliery Bilston
    Hannah Fenn 26 house keeper Willenhall
    William Robert Fenn 19 Engine fitter Willenhall
    Ellen Fenn 16 scholar
    Joseph Fenn 14 scholar Wolverhampton
    James Fenn 11 scholar Walsall
    Sarah Fenn 10 scholar Willenhall
    John Fenn 8 scholar Willenhall

    1861 RG9 piece 2002 folio 11 page 18
    Transcribed as Ferm
    Lanehead Road
    Samuel Ferm 44 Mine Agent Bilston
    Jane Ferm 39 Bilston
    Samuel Ferm 19 Bilston
    Thomas Ferm 17 Bilston
    Enoch Ferm 15 Bilston
    Hannah Ferm 13 Willenhall
    Mary J Ferm 11 Willenhall
    William Ferm 9 Willenhall
    Joseph Ferm 4 Willenhall
    James Ferm 1 Walsall
    Sarah Ferm 1 month Lane Head, Staffordshire
    Martha Gobber 18 servant

    Living next door is Edward Johnson, 31, a miner, wife Jane 29, daughter Elizabeth 2 and son Thomas 11 months.

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    More information re: Fenn

    FENN, MARY JANE, Mother's Maiden name BRATT
    GRO Reference: 1850 M Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON & SEISDON Volume 17 Page 358

    1851, Rough Hills Wolverhampton. HO107; Piece: 2019; Folio: 759; Page: 14
    Saml Fenn 34, mine agent, Bilston
    Jane Fenn 29, Bilston
    Samuel Fenn 9, Bilston
    Thomas Fenn 7, Bilston
    Enock Fenn 5, Bilston
    Hannah Fenn 3, Willenhall
    Mary Jane Fenn 1, Willenhall
    Harriett Butler 12, general servant

    1841, Ettingshall?? Lane, Bilston, Wolverhampton, HO107; Piece: 1001; Book: 13; Folio: 10; Page: 12
    Samuel Fenn 20, stone miner
    Jane Fenn 20
    Samuel Fenn 6 Weeks
    Richard Hampton 14, apprentice
    Thomas Seamel 10, apprentice

    Marriage: Tipton St Martins 27 Jan 1840
    Samuel Fenn, full age, miner, abode Bilston, father Robert a miner
    Jane Bratt, minor, abode Bilston, father Thomas a buckle maker
    Witnesses Samuel Evans and Mary Mann
    Bride and Mary Mann both signed.

    National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1995
    26 Aug 1878, will of Samuel Fenn, late of Pool Hayes Willenhall, proved at the Principal Registry by Samuel Fenn the youger of Walsall licensed victualler, and Thomas Fenn, Enoch Fenn, and William Robert Fenn all of Pool Hayes coalmasters and farmers the sons the executors. Personal estate under £3000 resworn October 1879 under £7000

    https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/177836954

    https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/177836953
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    I am becoming overwhelmed with all this hard work Christina. Having trouble keeping up!! Interesting the transcription switched to Ferm instead of Fenn. Well found by you. I think you have covered every single person, so have a well earned rest. Thank you again, very much.
    Pam, I live in NSW Aust and phoned our library today about whether they subscribe to Ancestry or Find My Past. The main centre (which is next town on from where I live) does have one computer with a licence to look at Find my Past, so if I want to use it I have to go there, and if no-one else is using it I can, apparently for free. I have never heard that service is offered here before (and I had volunteered at the Council run town museum for 4 years, only ceasing to devote my time to sewing stillborn quilts and premmie baby hospital gowns etc). So thanks for that suggestion. Since starting this response I see another reply has come in from UK ... you are also so helpful. The nicest thing about family history is the help offered.

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    Almach, thank you for the direct references to the grave, adds colour and definition! I found an interesting article about the collieries in the area, with evidence Samuel managed Pool Hayes colliery. Mary's brother, William, came to Australia to work in the coal industry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by christanel View Post
    Frank Herbert Brownhill
    Age 32
    Agriculturalist
    Birth Date about 1881
    Departure Date 18 July 1913
    Port of Departure - Liverpool, England
    Destination Port - Santos, Brazil
    Ship Name - Desna
    Christina
    FindMyPast also has an entry for a -
    Frank Brownhill, age 30, Single, Agriculturalist, sailed 24 Mar 1911 from London for Fremantle, ship Australind

    I checked arrival here
    https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/Sear...gerSearch.aspx
    but it is essentially an Index - no additional info.
    "dyfal donc a dyr y garreg"

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    The 1871 Census at post #14 above lists a William Robert Fenn, age 19 (born c. 1852). The Newcastle Morning Herald and Miners' Advocate, 24 Dec 1919, reported the death of a William Robert Fenn, age 67 (born c 1852). Frank Herbert's war record has William Fenn, Cessnock Street, Kurri Kurri as one of next of kin.
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    thank you helachau.

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