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    These are his Canadian records, unlike UK they are online and free and intact!
    https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discov...?IdNumber=6153
    On the RHS are his 2 pages of attestation papers, so he joined a Canadian regiment, he was not seconded.
    In the middle of the page is the link to his service records which shows he signed up there.
    Why, well who knows?

    regards

    Robert


    Thanks for the pointer, will take a look.

  2. #12

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    I suspected it was William T. Naming Annie as NoK indicated possible widowhood, which fitted a 1911 Census find for Annie and 1903 death for a William T., Rye registration district.
    "dyfal donc a dyr y garreg"

  3. #13

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    His Canadion attestation papers record "born Breed (sic)" and occupation "Bookeeper"

    1901 Census (ref. RG13 859 55 22)

    Percy Val Allen, pupil, age 12, borne Brede (Sussex)
    He's at school in 4 The Grove, Rye, Sussex

    Canadian Census 1911
    District 16, City of Winnipeg - 222, Address illegible (could it be "Aubrey ?)
    Herbert Guise, Head, age 20, born England
    Alice Guise, Wife, 26, born England
    Percy V Allen, age 23, Lodger, born England, occpn. Bookeeper, month of birth June, Year of Birth - 188? (last character illegible - but assume 8 from "Age 23", Year of Immigration 1910

    Yet to check passenger lists
    "dyfal donc a dyr y garreg"

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    To complicate things, there is a Percival Allen on the 1911 Census, born Brede. Yet to check travel to Canada.
    "dyfal donc a dyr y garreg"

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    FMP Travel/Passenger List
    Percy Allen, Age - 25, YoB - 1889, Occpn - Book keeper, Sailed - 15 May 1914 from Liverpool to Quebec, Ship - Empress of Ireland

    Canadian Archives Ship Manifests
    Ship - Empress of Ireland, Arrived - 22 May 1914, Name - Percy Allen, Destination - Winnipeg, Occpn in Country Came From - Book keeper, Intended Occpn in Canada - Book keeper.
    (There are column headings I cannot make out + the entries in those columns)

    FMP Travel/Passenger Lists
    a. Percy Allen, Occpn - Lab, Sailed - 22 Mar 1910, ship Grampian
    b. Percy Allen, 23, Occpn - Lab, Sailed 23 May 1911, Ship - Ascania
    c. Percy V Allen, 23, Occpn - Miner, Sailed 6 Nov 1913, Ship - Ascania

    Yet to check manifests.
    "dyfal donc a dyr y garreg"

  6. #16

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    Quote Originally Posted by helachau View Post

    FMP Travel/Passenger Lists
    a. Percy Allen, Occpn - Lab, Sailed - 22 Mar 1910, ship Grampian
    b. Percy Allen, 23, Occpn - Lab, Sailed 23 May 1911, Ship - Ascania
    c. Percy V Allen, 23, Occpn - Miner, Sailed 6 Nov 1913, Ship - Ascania

    Yet to check manifests.
    Mamsiller123,
    "c" above is incorrect. The list should read -
    a. - as posted
    b. - as posted
    c. - Percy V Allen, 23, occpn laborer, sailed 5 Jun 1912 - ship Victorian
    d. Percy Allen, age 25, occpn miner, sailed 6 Nov 1813
    "dyfal donc a dyr y garreg"

  7. #17

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    Quote Originally Posted by helachau View Post
    Mamsiller123,
    c. - Percy V Allen, 23, occpn laborer, sailed 5 Jun 1912 - ship Victorian
    This Percy sailed under ticket number 6518 as a laborer

    Canada Passenger Manifest
    Victorian - arrived Quebec 14 Jun 1912

    Ticket No. 6518, Allen Percy V? (difficult to read 2nd name), age 23, destination Winnipeg, occpn in country came from Clerk, intended occupation in Canada Clerk
    "dyfal donc a dyr y garreg"

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    Quote Originally Posted by mamsiller123 View Post
    Hello Lesley,
    Sorry for the confusion on “has CWGC on his gravestone”, a mistake on my part, i'm still learning the an acronyms.
    Thanks for the information, 'Annie Allen of Rye' would have been his mother (my 2nd great grandmother) so that would point to him being the correct one. I had no idea that he went to Canada, but that seems to explain it.

    Thank you for the pointers!
    "There are CEF Attestion for Percival Allen, born Oct 14 1887, Breed, Sussex Eng.,who enlisted in Winnipeg Manitoba Canada Nov 1, 1914, his next of kin was his mother Annie who lived at 107 High St., Rye, Sussex. At that time He was single. However his papers indicate he married Margaret Hamilton and they were living in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada and later records show Margaret was living iat 47 Threadneedle St., London, Eng. According to Percival's Will his mother was to get a 2/3 interest in a Medicine Hat, Alberta property with the rest of his possession to his wife. A gratuity payement of of $180. less a deductable was paid to Margaret"

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