This new thread is part of ongoing research in collaboration with a distant cousin into Isaac Levy c 1781 who may have married Abigail last name unknown. This line links to the marriage in 1850 of John Levy son of Isaac to Hannah Crawcour- Synagogue Scribes Marriages GSMa 112/12 Hannah CRAWCOUR ( Hebrew name Hendela)father's Hebrew name Aharon - 10 November 1850- John Levy father's Hebrew name Isaac Ha Levi.
The 1841 Census (Copyright TNA)HO107 725 1 10 13 20 10
3 Cooks Buildings Aldersgate Middlesex has Isaac Levy with various other Levy recorded.
Isaac Levy 60 General Dealer born in county
JOHN LEVY 25 General Dealer
Samuel Levy 17 General Dealer
Henry Levy 4
Phillip Levy 9
Lewis Levy 14
Jane Levy 28
Sarah Levy 32
Abigail Levy 55
All above born in county.
The 1841 Census usually ( but not always consistent) rounded down by 5 years after 15 years of age so the above ages may not be accurate dob.
The questions arise are:
1 Are the above the children of Isaac Levy?
2 Is Abigail the wife of Isaac?
3 Are there 2 separate families recorded given the difference in ages of the above?
The 1841 Census does not record family relationships and there are numbers of Ancestry family trees which record the death of Abigail Levy in 1843.
Further research shows that there was an Abigail Levy who died in 1843 and my distant cousin holds a copy of her GRO Death Certificate. The certificate records her husband as Mordecai Levy not Isaac. There are several newspaper articles which record the death of Abigail Levy including her inquest. Bells Weekly Messenger Sat 7 Jan 1843 records that Abigail Levy aged 74 wife of Mordecai Levy 2 Goodwins Buildings Wentworth Street died in a fire.
This data suggests that Abigail Levy who is recorded with Isaac Levy in 1841 is a different person to the one who died in 1843. It is likely that Abigail Levy who died in 1843 is:
Synagogue Scribes Marriage Records
GSM103/51
Abigail Levy father's Hebrew name Leibel Beker married Mordecai Levy father's Hebrew name Aharon Levy 26 August 1806.
It is possible that the GRO Death Index record for an Abigail Levy Dec qtr 1858 Whitechapel 1c 273 maybe the same person who appears in the 1841 Census with Isaac. In addition, there are several GRO Death Index Records for an Isaac Levy between 1841-1850. Copies of these records are needed to confirm relationships and ages.
The 1851 Anglo Jewry Data base - JewishGen UK Data bases records 2 possible children of Isaac Levy. Jane Levy ID 6017 father Isaac but mother not named. She is recorded as marrying Hyam Hyams Gt Synagogue 5 Sept 1847.
There is also Samuel Levy ID11276 father Isaac mother not listed married Julia Isaacs 30 Oct 1858.
GSMa 112/10-Samuel Levy father's Hebrew name Isaac Ha Levi -Julia Isaacs father's Hebrew name Joseph Ha Levi 30 Oct 1850
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03-04-2020, 3:09 PM #1
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ISAAC LEVY c 1781-c1850-POSSIBLE WIFE ABIGAIL
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03-04-2020, 10:19 PM #2It is possible that the GRO Death Index record for an Abigail Levy Dec qtr 1858 Whitechapel 1c 273 maybe the same person who appears in the 1841 Census with Isaac
LEVY, ABIGAIL, age at death 17
GRO Reference: 1858 D Quarter in WHITECHAPEL Volume 01C Page 273Alma
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Many thanks Alma for the information on Abigail Levy died 1858. Is there any other ages for Isaac Levy died between 1841-51 and for Abigail Levy same period or later?
Any thoughts on whether or not there are 2 families of Levy in the 1841 Census welcome. My thoughts are that the older Levy are the children of Isaac but not the younger ones. In addition, the wife was usually recorded below the husband but not consistently and if so, is Abigail the wife of Isaac?
There is another issue- in the 1851 Anglo Jewry Census on JewishGen UK Data bases it is very difficult to identify any of the Levy recorded in the 1841 Census as having a father named Isaac- I have posted a couple of the names but can't currently locate others. Petra Laidlaw who wrote the data base did not put any names of individuals who had died pre 1851 except for the names of parents if known but no other data.
In the case of the two Levy she recorded in 1851 there is no mother named which suggests Petra did not have data on the wife of Isaac Levy such as a Synagogue Marriage record.
Any comments on the above welcome.Phillip-Jewish,British Ancestry
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04-04-2020, 9:53 AM #4
Phillip. this seems a good fit for Isaac Levy.
LEVY, ISAAC 70
GRO Reference: 1847 D Quarter in WHITECHAPEL UNION Volume 02 Page 647
I haven't found a likely one for Abigail, there's one in Hendon about the right age but unless she was staying with someone there it's unlikely.
LEVY, ABIGAIL 70
GRO Reference: 1855 J Quarter in HENDON Volume 03A Page 39Alma
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Thank you Alma. Currently, I am trying to trace the individuals recorded in the Isaac Levy 1841 Census household. My distant Crawcour cousin has a marriage certificate for Samuel Levy who married Julia Isaacs in 1850. However, the name John deceased and not Isaac is recorded as the father of Samuel and Julia is a minor. The address is 1 Wentworth Street Spitalfields. I have yet to see a copy of the marriage so can't comment on the accuracy of data.
The following census data refers to Samuel Levy=Julia Isaacs. I can't locate the couple in the 1851 Census so any help tracing them would be appreciated. Petra Laidlaw in the 1851 Anglo Jews data base has them at 1 Cook's Buildings HO 107 1524 017 but I can't see them on Ancestry but may well have overlooked them.
1861 Census (Copyright TNA) RG9 210 10 14
39 Petticoat Lane St Botolph Aldgate Middx
Samuel LEVY H M 38 General Dealer b Aldgate Middx
Julia wife 32 b Aldgate
Joseph son 9 b Aldgate
Isaac son 3 b Aldgate
Julia Levy? u 21 Servant b Ireland
Abraham PHILLIPS Nephew 12 b Aldgate
Sarah PHILLIPS Niece 15 b Aldgate
Leah ISAACS Mother in law widow 92 b Aldgate
1871 Census (Copyright TNA)RG10 412 10 13
39 1/2 Petticoat Lane Aldgate London
Samuel Levy H M 45? Greengrocer b London Middx
Julia wife 38 b London Middx
Adelaide dau u 17
Joseph son 15 Scholar
Isaac son 12
Philip son 9
Leah ISAACS Mother in law widow Independent 98 b Aldagte
All above born London Middx
1 servant+ 1 Shopman
By 1881 Julia is a widow. This maybe the GRO Death Index for Samuel Levy Sept qtr 1878 Age 57 Lambeth 1d 246
1881 Census (Copyright TNA)
79 Lower Marsh Lambeth London
Julia Levy Widow 54 Fruiterer b Aldgate Middx
Adelaide ABRAHAMS dau Married 27 Fruiterer b Aldgate
Joseph Levy son u 24 Fruiterer b Aldgate
Harry son 19 Fruiterer b Aldgate
Phillip son 16 Fruiterer b Aldgate
Nb There is at least Ancestry public tree which has Samuel dying in USA post 1881 but this is based on wrong data and cross checking.
1901 Census (Copyright TNA)RG13 249 120 1
5 Aylesbury Street Clerkenwell London
Philip Levy H single 39 Fruiterer Green grocer b Aldgate
Adelaide ABRAHAMS sister widow 49 b Aldgate
Jane ABRAHAMS Niece s 25 b Lambeth
Julia ABRAHAMS niece s 20 Feather Sewer Quill b Lambeth
John ABRAHAMS nephew s 19 Carman b Aldgate
1911 Census (Copyright TNA) RG14 1238
18 Meredith Street Clerkenwell London
Philip Levy H Single 46 Fruiterer Assistant worker b Aldgate
Nancy ABRAHAMS Niece single 24 Feather Curler b Houndsditch
2 Rooms
In the case of John Levy who married Hannah Crawcour The Jewish Chronicle has DEATH 26.8.1866 after a long and protracted illness, MRS HANNAH LEVY, youngest daughter of the late Henry CRAWCOUR, aged 37....
John Levy re-married in 1882.
Register Office Hackney 6 August 1882
JOHN LEVY Full age widower Fruiterer 50 Horning Lane Hackney father ISAAC LEVY deceased Commercial Traveller
EMMA EDWARDS Full age spinster 50 Horning Lane Nb There are no details of her father or his occupation.
Witnesses- John AKERMAN; ELLEN LIPTON.
There were further children from this marriage and I will post data.Phillip-Jewish,British Ancestry
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This post relates to Hyam Hyams who married Jane Levy in 1847 Great Synagogue Records Synagogue Scribes GSMa 071/83. The GRO marriage certificate should indicate whether or not Jane is the daughter of Isaac Levy and is the same Jane Levy as per the 1841 Census previously posted on.
1851 Census (Copyright TNA)HO107 1543 185 12
Dinah Buildings Christchurch Spitalfields Middlesex
HYAM HYAMS H M 34 Fishmonger b Aldgate
Jane wife 37 b Aldgate
Catherine dau 3 b Aldgate
Adelaide dau 2 b Spitalfields
1861 (Copyright TNA)RG9 264 32 6
8 Lardners Buildings Spitalfields Middx
Hyam Hyams H M 45 Fishmonger b Spitalfields
Jane wife 47
Catherine dau 13 Tailoress
Hadley? dau 13 Scholar
Leah dau 11
All above born Spitalfields
1871 Census ( Copyright TNA) RG10 503 31 19
8 Lardners Buildings Christchurch Spitalfields London
Hyam Hyams H M 7 Fishmonger b Aldgate
Jane wife 62 b Aldgate
Adelaide dau u 21 Tailoress b Spitalfields
Leah u 18 b Spitalfields
1881 (Copyright TNA) RG11 437 99 32
8 Lardners Buildings Spitalfields London
Hyan Hyams H M 66 Fishmonger b City
Jane wife 68 b City
Addle dau u 28 Tailoress b Spitalfields
Leah dau u 26 no occupation b Spitalfields
GRO Death Index Record
Jane Hyams March qtr 1886 age 72 Whitechapel 1c 258
Hyam Hyams March qtr 1891 age 78 Whitechapel 1c 223Phillip-Jewish,British Ancestry
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06-04-2020, 2:50 AM #7Any thoughts on whether or not there are 2 families of Levy in the 1841 Census welcome. My thoughts are that the older Levy are the children of Isaac but not the younger ones. In addition, the wife was usually recorded below the husband but not consistently and if so, is Abigail the wife of Isaac?
Henry is age 11, not 4.
I lean towards two different families.
ETA: by usually I mean in this case the males first in age order, same for the females.Last edited by almach; 06-04-2020 at 3:17 AM. Reason: clarification
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06-04-2020, 8:48 AM #8
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Thank you Alma for your thoughts regarding the Isaac Levy family. More research is needed into the lines.
The following are the 2 GRO Marriage Certificates for Samuel and John Levy:
The Great Synagogue St James Duke Street London
SAMUEL LEVY Full Bachelor Dealer 1 Wentworth Street Spitalfields father ISAAC LEVY deceased
JULIA ISAACS Minor Spinster 1 Wentworth Street Spitalfields father JOSEPH ISAACS Fishmonger
Witnesses- Simon Acher;L E Pyke;Simeon Oppenheimer Secretary Great Synagogue
Married by N Adler Chief Rabbi
Nb Both Samuel and Julia signed with a mark
Great Synagogue St James Duke Street
10 November 1850
JOHN LEVY Full Bachelor Fruiterer 53 Gun Street Spitalfields father ISAAC LEVY Deceased
HANNAH CRAWCOUR Full Spinster 53 Gun Street Spitalfields father HENRY CRAWCOUR Deceased
Nb Both John and Hannah signed with a mark
Witnesses- Mark Menes? Hyam Jonas -Simeon Oppenheimer Secretary of the Great SynagoguePhillip-Jewish,British Ancestry
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The following 1841 and 1851 Census records relate to the Isaacs and Levy families previously posted on.
1841 Census (Copyright TNA)HO 107 710 14 5 18 3 20
Wentworth Street St Botolph Aldgate
The Levy and Isaacs families are living either in the same house or very close proximity.
JOSEPH ISAACS 60 Greengrocer born in county
Leah Isaacs 55
Ester Isaacs 20
JULIA Isaacs 16
Moses Isaacs 17
All born in county.
The above maybe the parents and siblings of Julia Isaacs who married Samuel Levy
Same or adjoining property but all listed under the Isaacs line.
The following Isaacs and Levy in Wentworth Street the same house or very close in Petticoat Lane who may or may not be related to the other families.
LEWIS LEVY 30
Sarah Levy 40
Mark Levy 11
Elias Levy 10
? Levy male 5
Julia Levy 3
David Levy 2 born Ireland?
All others born in county
Petticoat Lane
ISAAC ISAACS 45 Fishmonger
Sarah Isaacs 40
solomon Isaacs 14
Wolf Isaacs 1o
Ann Isaacs 12
Julia Isaacs 4
Mary Isaacs 1
All born in county
1851 Census (Copyright TNA) HO107 1524 17 27
These are the lines who appear in the 1851 Anglo Jewry Data base JewishGen UK Data bases as connected through the marriage of Samuel Levy to Julia Isaacs.
3 Cooks Buildings St Botolph Aldgate
JOSEPH ISAACS Lodger M 72 General Dealer b Middx Whitechapel
Leah wife 68 b Middx Whitechapel
1 Cooks Buildings St Botolph Aldgate
SAMUEL LEVY H M 43 General Dealer b Aldgate
Julia wife 18 b Aldgate
Further research is needed to confirm the above 1841 Isaacs and Levy as relatives of Samuel Levy=Julia Isaacs.Phillip-Jewish,British Ancestry
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The following earlier threads relate to the Levy/Crawcour/Foley and associated families:
Louisa Nathan/Foley nee Crawcour 1828-1918 started 27.12.2011
Noah and Michael Aarons started 6.12.2011
Henry Levi-Glass Cutter;Philip/Morris Levi started 28.4.2012.
This post relates to John Levy and his two families through marriages.
In the 1851 Census John Levy and his wife Hannah Levy nee Crawcour are at 53 Gun Street but John is named as Thomas:
1851 Census ( Copyright TNA) HO107 1543 24 40
53 Gun Street Old Artillery Ground Middlesex
THOMAS LEVY H M 30 General Dealer b Middx Aldgate
Hannah wife 22 Furrier b Middx Old Artillery Ground
Adelaide dau 3 b Middx Old Artillery Ground
Henry son 2 mths b Middx Old Artillery Ground
This maybe Henry Levy son of John/Hannah in 1871:
(Crown Copyright TNA )RG10 503 33 24
3 ?Tuson Court Christchurch Spitalfields
Henry Levy Lodger u 20 Salesman (Clothes) b ...field?
In house of Mordecai Simmons
Possibly Henry Levy:
1881 (Copyright TNA)RG11 437 27 6
77 Brushfield Street Spitalfields
Henry Levy H M 30 Fruit Salesman b Spitalfields
Mary Ann wife 25 b Chiswick
Nathan son 7 b Spitalfields
Hannah dau 5
Louisa dau 2
Martha dau 9 mths
All born Spitalfields
Elizabeth Cook visitor u 35 b Bethnal Green
+1 servant
By 1881 John Levy had re-married to Emma Edwards. This is his second family and also with Isaac the son from his first marriage.
(Copyright TNA) RG10 358 14 22
50 Morning Lane Hackney London
John Levy H M 50 Fruiterer b Middx Spitalfields
Emma wife 30 b Middx Hackney
ISAAC u 27 Fruiterer b Hackney
Chas son 8 b Hackney
Arthur son 7 b Hackney
Annie dau 3 b Hackney
Rose Edwards servant 13 b Suffolk Bacton Mills
In 1871 Adelaide Levy daughter of John Levy/Hannah Crawcour is living with her Foley in laws:
(Copyright TNA)RG10 358 14 22
15 and 16 Panton Street St Martin in the Fields London
15 Panton Street CATHERINE CRAWCOUR H W 65 Stationer b Whitechapel
16 Panton Street
JOHN FOLEY H M 46 Refreshment House Keeper b Camden Town
Louisa wife 44 b Spitalfields
Lizzie dau 20 u Professional b Spitalfields
Nathaniel son u 17 Glover and Perfumer b Spitalfields
Louisa Evans visitor u 21 Professional
ADELAIDE LEVY niece u 20 Professional b Spitalfields
Polly Harkham visitor u 19 Professional b Spitalfields
Louisa Foley is the sister of Hannah Crawcour. Their mother Catherine is living next door to Louisa and John Foley. There is no evidence that Louisa married John Foley.
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