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    Thanks so much everyone

    My 2 interests (as well as entertaining you which I enjoyed) are

    Robert Pirrie the father of Ellen Pirrie.
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    George Merewether’s medical Records

    Robert Pirrie first
    Poor g.grandmother Ellen has no history.
    Who was Ellen Pirrie?
    She died of pernicious anaemia 9 montha after her husband PS Merewether alias Charles Murray died of sunstroke in Australia.
    She died in Westland Hospital Hokitika NZ where here daughter would have been able to visit and sit with her.
    Her Hokitika daughter was Emma Shannon.
    My grandma Emma would have been holding her new baby Ernest in her arms.
    Ellen’s first grandchild.
    Would that have helped the lady confused from lack of red cells and oxygen.
    I hope so.
    Ellen Pirrie was born in Malta at the Garrison and when she was 3 yrs old her parents sailed away with her and her new babu sister Jane.
    They were on the ship ‘The Boyn’ with 356 men,24 women,and 35 children
    the 77th Regiment were on the way to Corfu.
    I admit I know nothing about The Crimea War.

    I know nothing more about g.grandmother either.
    until she marries Sid when her oldest boy was 22yrs and signs with a cross which tells me she was illiterate.
    There is another clue when on the birth record of her second son Charles Murray she says her fathers name was Robert
    It was
    Robert Pirrie

    Thanks to forces war records I have him in Chatham sick as I detailed previously.
    I have no DOB so I do not know how to find what became of him.
    Or Ellen, her sister, and her mother.
    I think the 77th got diverted to India to help with the ‘Mutiny’

    Ellen cannot read or write
    Lucky she found our Sid.

    Secondly
    How do I search for George records of six weeks unconscious at the Mutiny and afterward affected by his exposure to the sun?

    humbly yours
    Bev

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    Robert Pirrie transferred from the 77th to the 29th Regiment Of Foot on 1 June 1861. His service No. is recorded as 901 and his discharge papers are on FindmyPast if you have access.

    He attested in Jamaica in October 1845, aged 14 years and 2 months & was discharged by the regimental board in Newcastle, Jamaica in August 1870 after 21 years service, although he served a further 168 days until 7th Feb 1871 (discharged at Halifax, Nova Scotia).

    As well as being in the 1861 returns for Chatham under No. 1855 with the 77th, he is also recorded in Aldershot under No. 901 with the 29th

    His service is summarised in the discharge document, and his pensionable service only counts from 22 Aug 1849 as he was under age before that. His intended place of residence after discharge was Toronto, Canada.

    ADDED: His address in 1906 was Old Fort, Toronto, Ontario, Canada

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    Just realised that you said you had no DoB for him. His army papers say he was born Wigan, Lancaster (Lancashire)c1831, but he is on the 1861 census at the invalid depot as aged 25 (c1836)- RG9 Piece 480 Folio 144 Page 9

    I would think that the discharge document is more accurate, which seems to be confirmed by the 1851 census in St Woollos, Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales, where he is a 19 year old bandsman with the 77th regiment - HO107 Piece 2452 Folio 608 Page 21

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    This site may help with the query re women in law. https://first100years.org.uk/digital-museum/timeline/
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    I suspect that the daughter was simply acting with the written authority of her mother, ie acting with power of attorney rather than being a legally qualified person. Attorney isnt a term used in the UK to describe a solicitor etc.

    More recent, but along the same lines: https://www.gov.uk/lasting-power-attorney-duties

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    There's lots of 'half-information' floating around this thread, e.g. an age but no year, a death but no age, a name and relationship but nothing to confirm it, so let's start getting some fuller details.

    Starting with 'brother George'.
    Assuming he is the George Lane Cockburn, aged 74, whose death was registered in Brighton registration district December quarter 1910, he can be found in the 1901 census living in Guildford.
    Census reference RG12/604 folio 77 page 3
    Geo. C. L. Merewether, 64, Col Royal Engineers ret'd, born Hereford.
    Maria E. P. wife, 48, born india

    Fast backwards to 1841, census reference HO107/433/3 folio 27 page 9
    Living in Cathedral Close, Hereford.

    Marina Merewether, 35,
    Addalina, 16,
    Marina, 15,
    William, 13,
    Charles, 10,
    Sidney, 8,
    George, 4
    Only Sidney and George born in county.

    Quote Originally Posted by helachau View Post
    That's the entry I found - admin granted to Emily Henrietta Merewether, widow Emily Merewether. Found Philip Sidney and Emily Merewether at HO107 1857 182 33. Baptism (transcription only) on FMP names him as Philip Sidney Jarrett Merewether.
    That 1851 census reference helachau found has some of the family living in Melcombe Regis, Weymouth.
    Mary Ann Merewether, widow, 47, Salisbury, Wilts
    Mary Ann, daur, 24, Hampton, Middlesex
    Philip, son, 18, Hereford
    Edward R, son, 9, Hereford
    Emily, daur, 7, Hereford

    The baptism says Philip's parents are John and Mary Anne. There are also baptisms for George Lane Cockburne Merewether in 1836 and Edward Thomas Rostand in 1842 with the same parents; all in Hereford though no actual church specified.

    I know this information flitters around a bit, but I don't think there is a logical way to post it, as it is very 'bitty'.

    Marriage 31 May 1869 at St Pauls in the parish of St Pancras. (PR available on Ancestry, London marriages.)
    Edward Thomas Rowland Merewether, full, age, bachelor, architect, to Fanny Murrell.
    Edward's father is described as John Merewether, Dean of Hereford.

    The Clergy database https://theclergydatabase.org.uk/jsp/search/index.jsp
    says John Merewether was a curate at Hampton in 1823, and Dean at Hereford in 1832.

    Edward, born Hereford, in 1871 is living in Lambeth with Fanny, son Alworth, and his mother-in-law. Reference RG10/687 folio 8 page 8.

    Death registration for Edward Thomas Rowland Merewether, aged 68, March quarter 1910 Brighton registration district.

    Geo Lane Merewether in 1851, aged 14, born Hereford, is a pupil living in Marlborough. Possibly at Marlborough College, though it doesn't actually say so. HO107/1838 folio 252 page 20

    By pure fluke, have just found mother Mary Ann and daughter Emily in 1871. Living in Kensington. RG10/50 folio 39 page 70. INdexed on FMP as Merewather.
    That would fit a death registration I'd already found for a Mary Anne Merewether, aged 75, Kensington registration district September quarter 1879.

    The two major questions still to be answered are what year is this?
    Ellen Pirrie was born in Malta at the Garrison and when she was 3 yrs old her parents sailed away with her and her new babu sister Jane.
    And where and when did Philip and Ellen marry, and was he Philip Merewether or Charles Murray when he married?

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    Philip Sydney Merewether
    Marriage Year: 1887
    Marriage Place - New Zealand
    Spouse - Helen Pirrie
    Folio Number - 2187

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    On the marriage certificate 1887 her father is named as Robert Pirrie, Soldier. mother Ellen Pirrie formerly Brown.
    Philip S is a miner age 54 and Helen Pirrie is a spinster age 43. Daniel O'Brien and James Simpson of Hokitika, both labourers are the witnesses.
    So if she left Malta when she was 3 years old it would have been around 1841.
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    You are so helpful
    I seem to be blundering around answering everything I can.

    Please forgive me for not knowing best protocols.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jomot1 View Post
    Robert Pirrie transferred from the 77th to the 29th Regiment Of Foot on 1 June 1861. His service No. is recorded as 901 and his discharge papers are on FindmyPast if you have access.

    Bev here
    I will get access to Findmy past and attend
    thank you very much.
    Please see details I have on Ellen Pirrie which lead me to look for her father
    in Forces-war-records

    I expect I might be looking at a brother of Ellen Pirrie or some other puzzle.

    Your work is very much apprecated

    see below


    My g.grandmother Ellen Pirrie

    Marriage Certificate in the District of Hokitika
    married in Registry Office Hokitika
    Sept 20th 1887
    spinster aged 43yrs to (Philip Sidney Merewether 54yrs bachelor born Hereford father clergyman}
    Ellen birthplace Malta
    Ellen’s Father's name surname rank profession
    Robert Pirrie Soldier
    Ellen’s mother's name and maiden surname
    Ellen Pirrie formerly Brown

    In 1887 Ellen and P.S.Merewether had 6 children the last one born in 1880

    Death Certificate
    When and where died
    19th Sept Hokitika Hospital
    Name occupation
    Ellen Murray Merewether domestic
    Sex and age
    Female 56 yrs
    Cause of death duration of illness Dr certified date
    Pernicious anaemia 9months exhaustion(signature illegible) 16th Sept 1896
    Name and surname of father
    Richard Pirrie Soldier
    When and where buried
    20th Sept 1896
    Name religion minister Name of witness burial
    illegible Evangelical
    Where born How long in New Zealand
    Dundee Scotland 30yrs (NZ)
    Where married at what age married to whom
    Melbourne Victoria 26yrs
    Children age and sex
    2 males 29yrs 26yrs 4 females 27yrs ?23 20 and 17
    Signature of the informant and next column signature of registrar 22Sept 1896

    Birth of Ellen Perry ? Pirrie
    20th Nov 1838
    The birth of Ellen Perry and notice of her parents found by me at
    www.maltaramic.com/regmitgar/77th.html

    child born to soldier Robert Perry and Ellen Perry baby Ellen father Sgt 77th Foot(Middlesex)
    Then a birth of Jane Pirrie and notice of parents Ellen Pirrie and Robert Pirrie
    this baby 21st Aug 1841
    then I saw baby Jane was christened in time to travel with family on the Boyn with 77th Regiment to travel to Corfu with 356 men,24 women,35 children.


    Please can you explain what ‘attested’ means.
    What is the significance of being discharged by the regimental board in New castle, Jamaica.
    What is their role in the scheme of things?


    He attested in Jamaica in October 1845, aged 14 years and 2 months & was discharged by the regimental board in Newcastle, Jamaica in August 1870 after 21 years service, although he served a further 168 days until 7th Feb 1871 (discharged at Halifax, Nova Scotia).

    As well as being in the 1861 returns for Chatham under No. 1855 with the 77th, he is also recorded in Aldershot under No. 901 with the 29th

    His service is summarised in the discharge document, and his pensionable service only counts from 22 Aug 1849 as he was under age before that. His intended place of residence after discharge was Toronto, Canada.

    ADDED: His address in 1906 was Old Fort, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
    Bev

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    Pam,
    Everything you found is correct and already known to me.
    Thank you.
    I collect it on ancestry.com.
    My style of engaging with the forum must have a description and you may feel free to call it something polite.
    ‘Conversational' perhaps. Not that of a trained academic.
    My approach is to catch your interest.
    It must be a trial to you so please know how much I appreciate you for hanging in there so far.
    And

    I hope the following answers your questions.

    My g.grandmother Ellen Pirrie

    Marriage Certificate in the District of Hokitika
    married in Registry Office Hokitika
    Sept 20th 1887
    spinster aged 43yrs to (Philip Sidney Merewether 54yrs bachelor born Hereford father clergyman}
    Ellen birthplace Malta
    Ellen’s Father's name surname rank profession
    Robert Pirrie Soldier
    Ellen’s mother's name and maiden surname
    Ellen Pirrie formerly Brown

    In 1887 Ellen and P.S.Merewether had 6 children the last one born in 1880

    Death Certificate
    When and where died
    19th Sept Hokitika Hospital
    Name occupation
    Ellen Murray Merewether domestic
    Sex and age
    Female 56 yrs
    Cause of death duration of illness Dr certified date
    Pernicious anaemia 9months exhaustion(signature illegible) 16th Sept 1896
    Name and surname of father
    Richard Pirrie Soldier
    When and where buried
    20th Sept 1896
    Name religion minister Name of witness burial
    illegible Evangelical
    Where born How long in New Zealand
    Dundee Scotland 30yrs (NZ)
    Where married at what age married to whom
    Melbourne Victoria 26yrs
    Children age and sex
    2 males 29yrs 26yrs 4 females 27yrs ?23 20 and 17
    Signature of the informant and next column signature of registrar 22Sept 1896

    Birth of Ellen Perry ? Pirrie
    20th Nov 1838
    The birth of Ellen Perry and the notice of her parents found by me at
    www.maltaramic.com/regmitgar/77th.html

    child born to soldier Robert Perry and Ellen Perry is baby Ellen father is Sgt 77th Foot(Middlesex)
    Then a birth of Jane Pirrie and notice of parents Ellen Pirrie and Robert Pirrie
    this baby 21st Aug 1841
    Then I saw a baby Jane was christened in time to travel with possibly the same family on 'The Boyn' with 77th Regiment to travel to Corfu with 356 men,24 women,35 children.

    Bev

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