Liverpool ancestors

[chalabbott]

I am trying to find any information about Emma Johnson born c1824 in Liverpool. She married a James Challinor in Liverpool 1847. Her address was given as Clarence Street, Her father was given as John Johnson Carter, Deceased.
I am struggling to find a birth for her, a death for her father, their whereabouts on the 1841 census.
I would be grateful for any help.

Fran

[Jomot1]

I see that the witnesses are John & Elizabeth Hewitt, so I wonder if this is the same couple:
Marriage at St Philip, Liverpool 28 Dec 1834 John Hewitt, Bachelor & Elizabeth Johnson, Spinster.

In 1841 they may be at Back Myers Street, Walton on the Hill, West Derby, both enumerated as aged 30, with children William 6, Emma 3, and Sarah 2

HEWITT, SARAH ANNE mmn JOHNSON
GRO Reference: 1839 M Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 20 Page 895

Emma Hewitt was baptised Liverpool, St Peter 28 Jun 1837

[Pam Downes]

Hello Fran,

Welcome to British-Genealogy.

Just so we know what you are basing some of your information on - is it your Emma who is living in Liquorpond Street, Boston (Lincs) with daughter Elizabeth but no James in 1851? Surname spelt Chalinor. Census reference HO107/2099 folio 364 page 29.

What happens to Emma between 1851 and 1861, as I can't easily find her in 1861?
Though having said that, I think I've now found her in 1871, living in Lincoln (still no sign of hubby James) with three other children. Census reference RG10/3370 folio 47 page 28. Again she says she was born in Liverpool. The only snag with this is that Liverpool is where she remembers growing up, and it's not necessarily where she was born and baptised.

Will now start to look in 1841.

Pam

[Pam Downes]

I see that the witnesses are John & Elizabeth Hewitt, so I wonder if this is the same couple:
Marriage at St Philip, Liverpool 28 Dec 1834 John Hewitt, Bachelor & Elizabeth Johnson, Spinster.

In 1841 they may be at Back Myers Street, Walton on the Hill, West Derby, both enumerated as aged 30, with children William 6, Emma 3, and Sarah 2

HEWITT, SARAH ANNE mmn JOHNSON
GRO Reference: 1839 M Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 20 Page 895

Emma Hewitt was baptised Liverpool, St Peter 28 Jun 1837

Do you mean that Elizabeth Hewitt nee Johnson was possibly a sister to Emma?
Emma's daughter was called Elizabeth Emma.

Pam

[Pam Downes]

Have now found Emma, with hubby James, in 1861. Living in Lincoln. Census reference RG9/2358 folio 92 page 8.
Surname indexed as Challines on FMP. I have sent a note saying that I believe there is an error in the indexing.
Both James and Emma say they were born in Liverpool.


Re the 1841 census, I'd forgotten till I started searching that ages over 15 were supposed to be rounded-down to the nearest five so therefore we should be searching for an Emma born c 1826 (i.e.aged about 15). Found several in Lancashire, but none with a father John, or with an occupation of carter. (Though, everyone, please feel free to check again, because my search was for born 1824 +/- 2 years. )

Pam

[Jomot1]

Do you mean that Elizabeth Hewitt nee Johnson was possibly a sister to Emma?
Emma's daughter was called Elizabeth Emma.

Yes, that was my thought process, I think these may be two further daughters, although in the 1851 census Ellen is Mary Ellen.

HEWITT, ELIZABETH mmn JOHNSON GRO Reference: 1846 J Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 20 Page 1147
HEWITT, ELLEN mmn JOHNSON GRO Reference: 1848 S Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 20 Page 995

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG56-5GG

To confuse things, there are also births for Elizabeth Ann Hewitt & Mary Ellen Hewitt in West Derby with the mmn Marshall.

[chalabbott]

Hello there. I did reply last evening but it isn't showing on here. I have found that Elizabeth Hewitt's maiden name was Johnson and I did think it was Emma's sister. Although there is a large age gap - although of course there could be siblings in between. Since Emma's marriage was in 1834 before certificates, I can't prove her father's name was John Johnson.
Thank you for the extra searching on Elizabeth's family.

[chalabbott]

Yes that is the right Emma - James was an Engine Driver so I am guessing he was away for 1851 census.

Fran

[chalabbott]

I have found a couple of Emma Johnson's aged 15 in workhouses as well. So hard to get relevant information.

Thanks for your help

Fran

[chalabbott]

Thanks - can anyone find her birth or baptism records - I found one for an Emma with parents John and Martha - but the occupation of Father was Stretcher(if I am reading it properly). I will check church and date!!