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    Hello,

    A bit complicated here but I am a bit stuck with the birth of my grandfather Francis Richard Rixon.

    His father Fred Rixon born 1863 Tisbury 5a 219 married Cecily Ellen Hibberd Tisbury 5a 314 in 1890.

    Francis Richard Rixon married Ada Gerrard Tisbury 5a 452 in 1906.

    Here's the rub. On the wedding certificate is shows James Rixon born 1837 V111 402 as Francis's father???? Fred(his father)was a witness?? Francis shows as 21 years old. Born 1885 5 years before his parents married!

    Cecily Ellen Hibberd died in 1895 aged 29 5a 117

    Could Francis have been adopted? Was Cecily really his mother? Was Fred really his father?

    I AM STUCK. There are no records as to Francis Richard Rixon's birth.

    Any help will be greatly appreciated.

    Paul Rixon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Rixon View Post
    Hello,

    A bit complicated here but I am a bit stuck with the birth of my grandfather Francis Richard Rixon.

    His father Fred Rixon born 1863 Tisbury 5a 219 married Cecily Ellen Hibberd Tisbury 5a 314 in 1890.
    Without wishing to sound too critical it would be more helpful to tell us where Tisbury is (Wiltshire) and leave out the GRO Index numbers. The latter don't really mean anything in this query.
    Francis Richard Rixon married Ada Gerrard Tisbury 5a 452 in 1906.
    In this instance, do you mean Tisbury registration district, or Tisbury the place?

    Here's the rub. On the wedding certificate is shows James Rixon born 1837 V111 402 as Francis's father????
    No, it doesn't. All it says is that the vicar wrote James Rixon as the father of Francis. Just based on that entry on the parish register, you have no proof whatsoever of who that James might be.


    Fred(his father)was a witness?? Francis shows as 21 years old. Born 1885 5 years before his parents married!
    Yes, your parents can be witnesses at your wedding.

    Cecily Ellen Hibberd died in 1895 aged 29 5a 117

    Could Francis have been adopted? Was Cecily really his mother? Was Fred really his father?

    I AM STUCK. There are no records as to Francis Richard Rixon's birth.

    Any help will be greatly appreciated.

    Paul Rixon
    Have you found Francis with Fred and Cecily on the census? Does Francis's age on the census, tie in with his age on the marriage certifcate? Have you looked for a birth registration for a Francis Richard Hibberd (i.e. born illegitimate, son of Cecily?)

    Pam. who's now off to do some digging
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    1901 Census as follows

    Name James Rixon Age 64 Head of Household
    Name Isabella Rixon Age 61
    Name Fred Rixon Age 37 son Widow
    Name Alfred Rixon Age 32
    Name Debora Rixon Age 24
    Name - Richard Rixon Age 16 Grandson

    all ref to him he called Richard Not Francis

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    Along with Pam I have been doing some digging.

    Why do you think Fred was his father? They never appear together on any census.

    Cecily died in 1895 and she and Fred had 3 children:
    Bertram 1890 -1890
    Ethel Lucy 1892 - 1894
    Letta Catherine 1895 - ?

    Back tracking on censuses it is clear that Fred was the son of James and Isabella who had many children. Could Francis be the illegitimate son of one of their daughters?

    Francis Rixon 1884 D quarter Marylebone Vol 1A Page 566 no mother's maiden name.

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    For starters

    1891 census
    Census reference RG12/1625 folio 10 page 13
    Living Church Steet Wardour
    Fred Rixon, head, 27, stone mason
    Cecily, wife, 24
    Both born Tisbury

    1901 census
    Census reference RG13/1961 folio 28 page 11
    Living Snows Hill, East Tisbury
    James Rixon, head, 64, stone mason
    Isabella, wife, 61,
    Fred, son, 37, widower, stone mason,
    Alfred, son, 32, single, stone mason,
    Debora, daur, 24, single,
    Richard, grandson, 16, grocer's assistant,
    All born Tisbury, except for Richard who says born London. This could be highly relevant, or it could be enumerator error.

    1911 census
    Census reference RG14/12145 SN128
    Living Duck Street, Tisbury
    Richard Rixon, head, 26, painter, Tisbury
    Ada, wife, 28, Frome, Somerset
    Beatrice May, 4, Tisbury

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    1911 Census
    Richard Rixon b 1885 Birth Place Tisbury, Wiltshire, England Occ Painter
    Name - Ada Rixon b
    Name - Beatrice May Rixon

    Pam beat me to it

    There is also a death for Richard F Rixon in Salibury.

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    From me, post #5
    All born Tisbury, except for Richard who says born London. This could be highly relevant, or it could be enumerator error.
    From Megan post #4
    Francis Rixon 1884 D quarter Marylebone Vol 1A Page 566 no mother's maiden name.
    Looks as if that 1901 census entry was very relevant. Good find, Megan.

    Paul,I think it might be worth investing seven quid in a black-and-white PDF copy of that birth certificate. Order from https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
    Once you've registered on the site, if you 'search the indexes' for births, you get an option to buy either the 'posh copy' or the PDF one.

    Pam
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    That birth registration in Marylebone registration district 1884 with no mother's maiden name given (which usually indicates an illegitimate birth) would explain why Francis/Ricard gave James as his father's name when he married. It could be coincidence that he knew his father was called James, or he probably did what one of my (something x great) grandmothers did and said the name of her grandfather with whom she lived when she was young. Caused me no end of problems as I assumed her uncle (also Thomas) was her father. Same relationship as Fred would seem to have to Francis/Richard.

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    Name: Francis Rixon
    Gender: Male
    Record Type: Baptism
    Baptism Date: 21 Oct 1884
    Baptism Place: St John´s Wood St Mark, Westminster, England
    Mother: Bertha Rixon
    Register Type: Parish Registers

    going to see if Granfather had a daughter called Bertha

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    There’s this baptism

    Francis Rixon

    Baptism Date: 21 Oct 1884
    Baptism Place: St John´s Wood St Mark, Westminster, England
    Mother: Bertha Rixon

    1871 census has a Berth Rixon 1862

    Duck Street, East Tisbury, Tisbury, Wiltshire, England

    Parents James & Isabella
    Last edited by Pamelawagster; 30-01-2020 at 1:27 PM. Reason: Added info

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