Hi Alma
I greatly appreciate your time and effort. Like you I can't locate them using all the different options. My thinking is were they later split up and took a different name/names. Were they placed in institutions- for example 2 of my relatives were placed in the Norwood Orphanage which was a Jewish institution but they had the family name.
This still doesn't account for Isaac or Eliza whereabouts unless for Isaac total name changes including first name and surname. There are plenty of cases of that happening among the records and in my own lines- Napthali Asher Hart became Asher and then Arthur Robert Hart- changed his religion and joined the army.
More to consider.
Thanks again for all your help.
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30-01-2020, 7:23 AM #21
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The current supposition is that Isaac Aaron/Elizabeth unknown changed their names post 1881 which is why they and their children cannot be located. In addition, based purely on the Isaac Aaron name remaining unchanged there are very few names on Free BMD under the Death search index.
These names are:
Dec qtr 1865 Isaac William AaronWhitechapel 1c 272
Dec qtr 1867 Isaac Aaron age 0 Downham 4b 243
June qtr 1881 Isaac Lewis Aaron age 0 Aston 6d 147
June qtr 1891 Isaac Aaron Age 72 Birmingham 6d 9
March qtr 1893 Isaac Aaron age 42 Prestwich 8d 279
June qtr 1898 Isaac Aaron age 82 Dartford 2a 278
Sept qtr 1918 Isaac Aaron age 35 Prestwich 8d 312
Isaac Aaron qtr Dec 1980 born 27 Oct 1907 Leeds 5 370
Nb These are all the Isaac Aaron Death Index records on Free BMD and the only tentative one post 1881 Census when Isaac Aaron was still alive is that of Isaac Aaron 1898 age 82. This gives a dob 1816 whereas Isaac Aaron in 1881 and 1851 has a dob range 1825-29.
A similar review of Elizabeth Aaron Death index gives no comparable dob.Phillip-Jewish,British Ancestry
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30-01-2020, 2:34 PM #23
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Hi Alma
I have found the Isaac Aaron family. I remembered that Isaac Aaron's brother had changed his surname to ALLEN. As a long shot I tried the same surname and found Elizabeth in the 1891 Census with William, Emily and Thomas.
1891 Census (Copyright TNA)
RG12 266 208 28
20 ? Bethnal Green
Elizabeth ALLEN H Widow 47 Flower Art? Maker b LUTON BEDS
William Allen son s 17 Hawker coster b St George in the East
Emily daughter 14 ? b Stepney
Thomas son s 20 News vendor coster b Bethnal Green
I will now look further but the 1891 census confirms Isaac was dead by 1891.
This looks like the Marriage of Emily.
Christ Church Stepney
Nov 29 1909
James Thompson 36 Bachelor Groom 6 Horsley Buildings father Henry Thompson Moulder
Emily ALLEN 32 Spinster 6 Horsley Buildings father ISAAC ALLEN Deceased TAILOR
Witnesses- William Allen; Elizabeth Allen
I will look further under ALLENPhillip-Jewish,British Ancestry
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30-01-2020, 4:51 PM #24
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30-01-2020, 5:15 PM #25
In 1911, they are at 6, Horsley Buildings, Adelina Grove, Stepney. RG14; Piece: 1585; ED: 14.
Elizabeth Allen widower, 67yrs, married 47yrs, children born alive 9, children still living 3. Luton Beds
Thomas Allen son, 40yrs, pedlar, London St George
William Allen son, 37yrs, married 2yrs, 2 children born alive, 2 children still living, photographer, London St George
Elizabeth Allen dau in law, 33yrs, Bethnal Green
Emily Thompson dau, 34yrs, married 1yr, no children. charwoman, London Shadwell,
I wonder where William and Elizabeth's children are?
William married 5th July 1909 at Christ Church, Tower Hamlets.
William Allen age 34, bachelor, pedlar, 6, Horsley Buildings, father Isaac Allen (deceased) tailor
Elizabeth King age 31, spinster, tailoress, 6, Horsley Buildings, father Edward King bricklayer.
Witnesses: Thomas Allen; Emily Allen.
They are all together in 1901 at 6, Horsley Buildings. RG13; Piece: 325; Folio: 46; Page: 39Alma
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Very many thanks Alma for the census data. I noted in the 1911 census 9 children born but only 3 alive.
The next problem I have is this- there are only 2 possible Isaac Allen Deaths between 1881-1891:
Isaac Allen age 68 St.Thomas 5b 44 June qtr 1883
Isaac Allen age 49 March qtr 1891 Bethnal Green 1c 212.
The Isaac Aaaron with Elizabeth and earlier with Sarah Farthing was born circa 1825-1829. This means that either none of the two Free BMD Death Index records are him or else there is an error on his dob as registered. The Bethnal Green 1891 Death appears more likely but I will need to look further.Phillip-Jewish,British Ancestry
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30-01-2020, 7:37 PM #27
Hi Phillip,
There's a Thomas age 1 and William Allen age 2 patients in "Metropolitan Asylum Board's, North Western Hospital, Lawn Road, Hampstead N W"
Corresponding births:
ALLEN, THOMAS ALBERT, MMN KING
GRO Reference: 1910 D Quarter in MILE END OLD TOWN Volume 01C Page 352
ALLEN, WILLIAM, MMN KING
GRO Reference: 1909 D Quarter in MILE END OLD TOWN Volume 01C Page 371Alma
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Hi Alma
As always you are proving a great help with the searches. I can't see a marriage of George Allen. You have him in the 1911 census but gave no details and I haven't as yet looked in detail for him nor his mother's death.
Thank you for all your continuing help.Phillip-Jewish,British Ancestry
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30-01-2020, 8:37 PM #29I can't see a marriage of George Allen. You have him in the 1911 census but gave no details and I haven't as yet looked in detail for him
William Allen son, 37yrs, married 2yrs, 2 children born alive, 2 children still living, photographer.
born, London St George
As George doesn't appear on the 1901 or 1911 census and from memory he isn't on the 1891 either, I assume he's one of Elizabeth's children who had died.Alma
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Hi Alma
Thank you for all your help.
This appears to be the William Aaron aka Allen family in the 1939 Register (Copyright TNA)
William's baptism gave his dob as 27 Feb 1874. The 1939 Register has a dob 17 Feb 1874 but it appears to be the same person as per the earlier census where he is a photographer.
1939
81 Stratton Drive Barking Essex
William Allen Married dob 17 Feb 1874 77 Photographer
Elizabeth Allen 6 Nov 1877 unpaid domestic duties
William Ju? Allen s 3 Oct 1909 Military musical instrument maker
Thomas H Allen 8 Sept 1910 single Bakers roundsman
Charles E Allen s 10 March 1912 Bakers roundsman
Elizabeth Jur?? Allen s 25 April 1915 Dressmaker
Lesie Allen s 1 Sept 1916 butchers shop assistant
Elsie Allen (married name CAPON Mrried 23.7. 1945) born 3 Nov 1917 dressmaker
Sydney J Allen s 12 May 1920 Oil Merchant Labourer
GRO Marriage Index Elsie Allen -William J CAPON July qtr 1945 Ilford Essex 4a 1203
GRO Death Index Elsie Capon age 32 b abt 1918 July qtr Ilford 1950 Essex 5a 297
I will post further as data emerges.
Nb There is a newspaper article for Isaac Allen who had a fractured skull from being thrown from a cart. Croydon Guardian and Surrey County Gazette Sat 14 Dec 1889. Whether or not this refers to Isaac Aaron aka Isaac Allen is not known.
The issue of not being able to clearly identify Isaac Allen or Isaac Aaron pre 1891 census when his wife Elizabeth is a widow maybe for two reasons- 1 the death was not registered 2 Isaac was not using his first name- at least one of his brothers had done the same if this Isaac is Isaac Aaron son of Aaron Aarons/Catherine Crawcour.Phillip-Jewish,British Ancestry
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