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    Default DIETZ, David M DYTE, DIGHT; CRAWCOUR; LAZARUS

    Phillip, you posted this in another thread and as I thought it would confuse things to carry on discussing DIETZ / DYTE /DIGHT families in the ELLIS thread I've started a new one. You wrote:
    <Eve #13 - I don't want to muddy the water with this particular thread but for your own interest and research I have Henry DYTE (I believe he is related to Maurice and David Moses Dyte)who appears as a witness at the marriage of Lewin Crawcour to Maria Samuel Jan 1 1851 5 City Road St.Luke's Middlesex.As you know the Crawcour are my paternal line.
    When Henry Dyte died one of the executors to his will was Moses Angel Headmaster of the Jew's Free School. Moses was married to a daughter of Godfrey Levy aka Levy Godfrey and Sarah Crawcour.
    The relationship maybe one of friendship regarding the Dyte but I have not researched the Dyte lines so am unaware of related data.>

    Oh, boy! I'm not up to your standards, Phillip, with posting all the source information, but I'll try to outline my connection - via the LAZARUS tribe of Exeter from which I'm descended - to the DIETZ/DYTE/DIGHT family. Will post after composing offline, or I'll lose it all.

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    Take a look at Synagogue Scribes Will Extracts NA470 Lyon Samuel 1842 where reference is made to Bunford Samuel his nephew and also a Catherine Lazarus (N....). There are several other Samuel relatives who have Bunford Samuel as a nephew -NA 457 Ann Samuel 1850;NA 463 Hannah Samuel 1848;Kitty Samuel NA468 1852 and NA 480 Samuel Samuel 1845 the father of Bunford- see also JewishGen UK Data base 1851 Anglo Jewry data base which has Maria Crawcour nee Samuel and her parents names plus her siblings.

    I need to research further in order to understand the Samuel and Dyte lines better.
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    Phillip, Oh, cripes, let me get my Dight / Dyte post up first. You have got me spending all day sorting it out - a good thing as I had some completely screwed up information - which I shall blame on an earlier genealogist (you can't believe everything you read). Back is killing me from leaning over laptop for hours. And I don't even know how to get to the Will Extracts....except by accident....

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    Quote Originally Posted by phillip View Post
    Eve
    Take a look at Synagogue Scribes Will Extracts NA470 Lyon Samuel 1842 where reference is made to Bunford Samuel his nephew and also a Catherine Lazarus (N....). There are several other Samuel relatives who have Bunford Samuel as a nephew -NA 457 Ann Samuel 1850;NA 463 Hannah Samuel 1848;Kitty Samuel NA468 1852 and NA 480 Samuel Samuel 1845 the father of Bunford- see also JewishGen UK Data base 1851 Anglo Jewry data base which has Maria Crawcour nee Samuel and her parents names plus her siblings.

    I need to research further in order to understand the Samuel and Dyte lines better.
    Phillip, I've had a skim-through of Lyon Samuel's Will. It's pages long and full of legalese and it's very tiring to read. I saw mention of Bunford Samuel, his nephew, David Samuel, his son. Kitty, his wife, and some daughters. But I couldn't find any mention of Catherine Lazarus. However, he owned 43 Mansell Street in Goodman's Fields. This was the address of: Samuel LYON (1822) (perhaps Lyon SAMUEL?; David SAMUEL, retailer of clocks, c. 1837; and Edward & Catherine LAZARUS and DAVIS family members at least between 1841 - 185.
    This Edward Nathan LAZARUS was descended from Eleazer of Worms, whose descendants I've been recording (It thought they were part of my lot, but I've decided they aren't). This family can be followed in part via marriages in synagouescribes.com. Catherine was a daughter of David b. Moshe Aaron Davis, a London optician and watchmaker. Edward Lazarus was a coal merchant (Sargent & Lazarus) and a baker: in 1842 the Jewish Chronicle published this: <Contract to bake matzot: Passover Bread.óAt a meeting of the conjoint committees of the Metropolitan Synagogues on the evening of Tuesday, 13th inst*,-in order to open, the tenders for the [matzot] (passover cakes), the tender of Mr. Edward Lazarus was found the lowest, by 1s 6d. per sack. That gentleman was, therefore, entrusted with the contract for the ensuing passover.
    Some conception may be formed of the consumption of
    the cakes in London and the provinces, during the eight days, from the circumstance that the quantity of flour made into cakes last year was 650 sacks, each containing 280 lbs. We are glad to learn, that the present relatively low price of flour will enable the bakers to obtain it at 15s. 6d. less per sack than it cost them last year, and that a useful competition will reduce the retail price,, next passover, to four-pence-halfpenny per pound. . ..'>

    Edward Lazarus died- 1844? - and Catherine Lazarus took over the business, but moved into selling wine and spirits as well as coal.

    What the relationship between Catherine LAZARUS and the SAMUEL family was, I don't know. I presume Edward and Catherine were tenants. I'll try to read the Will again and see if I can find Catherine's name (if it's the same person...).

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    Catherine Lazarus was a servant to Lyon Samuel - see Synagogue Scribes Will Extracts NA 254 Catherine Lazarus 1836.

    Did my comments about the two different Josiah Solomon of Exeter #12 plus the Barnes line help?
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    Quote Originally Posted by phillip View Post
    Catherine Lazarus was a servant to Lyon Samuel - see Synagogue Scribes Will Extracts NA 254 Catherine Lazarus 1836.

    Did my comments about the two different Josiah Solomon of Exeter #12 plus the Barnes line help?
    Hi Phillip,
    I was busy going through the Will of Lyon Samuel and didn't see your posts. Yes, your comments help. I will go back to them when I can think straight. We may be related, finally! Or not...I need tea before I can sort this out.

    I swear I never saw the reference to Catherine Lazarus, servant. You'd think the name would pop right out. Curious coincidence that a Catherine Lazarus was also the tenant of his house in Mansell Street - surely not someone he'd refer to as servant? I saw no bequests for servants that I can recall. I'd really like to know why he withdrew his substantial request to one daughter - sadly, I'm not sure I've read her name correctly. See my post #16 of his Will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eve Mary View Post
    Phillip, I've had a skim-through of Lyon Samuel's Will. It's pages long and full of legalese and it's very tiring to read. I saw mention of Bunford Samuel, his nephew, David Samuel, his son. Kitty, his wife, and some daughters. But I couldn't find any mention of Catherine Lazarus. However, he owned 43 Mansell Street in Goodman's Fields. This was the address of: Samuel LYON (1822) (perhaps Lyon SAMUEL?; David SAMUEL, retailer of clocks, c. 1837; and Edward & Catherine LAZARUS and DAVIS family members at least between 1841 - 185.
    This Edward Nathan LAZARUS was descended from Eleazer of Worms, whose descendants I've been recording (It thought they were part of my lot, but I've decided they aren't). This family can be followed in part via marriages in synagouescribes.com. Catherine was a daughter of David b. Moshe Aaron Davis, a London optician and watchmaker. Edward Lazarus was a coal merchant (Sargent & Lazarus) and a baker: in 1842 the Jewish Chronicle published this: <Contract to bake matzot: Passover Bread.óAt a meeting of the conjoint committees of the Metropolitan Synagogues on the evening of Tuesday, 13th inst*,-in order to open, the tenders for the [matzot] (passover cakes), the tender of Mr. Edward Lazarus was found the lowest, by 1s 6d. per sack. That gentleman was, therefore, entrusted with the contract for the ensuing passover.
    Some conception may be formed of the consumption of
    the cakes in London and the provinces, during the eight days, from the circumstance that the quantity of flour made into cakes last year was 650 sacks, each containing 280 lbs. We are glad to learn, that the present relatively low price of flour will enable the bakers to obtain it at 15s. 6d. less per sack than it cost them last year, and that a useful competition will reduce the retail price,, next passover, to four-pence-halfpenny per pound. . ..'>

    Edward Lazarus died- 1844? - and Catherine Lazarus took over the business, but moved into selling wine and spirits as well as coal.

    What the relationship between Catherine LAZARUS and the SAMUEL family was, I don't know. I presume Edward and Catherine were tenants. I'll try to read the Will again and see if I can find Catherine's name (if it's the same person...).
    Have gone through the Will of Lyon Samuel again, taking notes this time. Not thorough as my brain can't deal easily with the script, not with all the legalese. I started by recording names and relationships only, but then some of the text. There should be an indication of the end of the initial Will and the beginning of the first Codicil, but I can't find it now.

    ame: Lyon Samuel Esquire
    Probate Date: 27 Dec 1842
    Residence: Middlesex, England

    Entry is the Will, many pages long with Codicils.
    Mentions:
    Kitty Samuel, wife
    Louisa Barnett, widow, Wife's Sister
    David Samuel, son
    Alfred Samuel, son (a minor)
    Burford Samuel, nephew, of Leman Street, Goodman's Fields, Merchant, one of my executors and trustees
    Grandchildren: [Madelina?] Phillips, Barnett Phillips, Robert Phillips, Frant [N?]aes, Adeline [N?]aes (< [?]aes >looks like <Isacs> to me, but I think it's something else)
    Sons in Law: Samuel Phillips, David [N?]aes
    Daughters: Maria Philips, Sarah [?]aes
    Legacy left to Great Synagogue Dukes Place

    I give and devise all that my Freehol messuage...and premises situate and being No 43 in Mansell Street Goodman's Fields in the County of Middlesex...unto ...Bunford Samuel...wife Kitty Samuel...David Samuel...dispose of the same as circumstances may require...may be to sell...unto any perspn or persons whomsoever who shall be willing to become the perchaser...for the best price or most money...

    bequeath unto my said wife...the Bond entered into by me to Mr. Abraham Solomons deceased and discharge thereof the Sum of one thousand pounds...to be paid to said wife at the end of twelve months next after my decease...
    ... [followed a list of shares and bonds with various banks etc to be left to his wife adding up to several thousands of dollars]...

    ...my four children...Maria Phillips David Samuel Sarah [N?]aes and Alfred Samuel

    ..[lengthy details of how legacies are to be disposed of in the event of the death of a beneficiary, to their children; in the event of marriages; trusts for underage children etc

    ...[everything of household goods]...in or about my messuage or tenement in Guliford Street [except previously mentioned Paraphernalia, Trinkets and Ornaments she was in habit of using and wearing left to Kitty] bequeathed unto ...Bunford Samuel, Kitty Samuel and David Samuel...to be used by [Kitty] [as long as she remains his widow][she gets to keep all the household stuff]

    [another two pages outlining what happens under various eventualities]

    Signed [01 July 1836]
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    This is the Second Codicil to the last Will and Testament of me Lyon Samel of R[-----] Street Russell Square in the County of Middlesex [Northant] (and which will bears date first day of July in the year One thousand eight hundred and thirty six and wherein I am described as then of Guildford Street in the same County...
    [withdraws legacies left to daughters Maria Phillips and Sarah [N]aes] of two hundred pounds (doesn't say why) and gives them to nephew Bunford Samuel, wife Kitty Samuel and David Samuel and to]
    ...my friend John Cole of High Holborn in the County of Middlesex Wholesale Druggist the sum of two hundred pounds to be held and applied by them [and a further two hundred pounds]
    ...concerning the share of my daughter Sarah Naes.... of six thousand pounds... [trusts to be paid within 12 months of death] (doesn't say why)
    ...will give...premises....No 43 in Mansell Street Goodman's Fields [and everything in it to] ...Bunford Samuel...Kitty Samuel... and David Samuel...to use...and their heirs...for ever upon the Trusts thereby [dec]lared concerning same Noe I do hereby revoke and made void the said... gift...and give unto ...
    [It appears that 43 Mansell Street is now to go to the original three people - Bunford, Kitty and David Samuel - and now also to John Cole]

    ...[a page-long list of companies and banks in which he has shares]...shall not be sold or disposed during the life of my said wife unless at her request...
    [appoints John Cole to be an Executor along with the original three]

    [signed and dated by witnesses]

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    This is a Codicil to the Will......dated on or about [01 July 1836]
    [Describes shares sold and again mentions [Noro]
    [More directions about sums of money in the thousands of dollars, but no names]
    [dated 5th June 1837]
    signed and witnessed by Waltr. Hughes sol 144 Leadenhall St. and Fredk. Hondmarsh clerk to [----] [Hearsey] Hughes & Thomas 144 Leadenhall St.

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^
    In the Goods of Samuel Lyon deceased Appeared Personally Simeon Oppenheim of South St Finsbury [to translate the name in Hebrew of a charity to which a bequest had been left] [26 Dec 1842]
    [Proved 27 Dec 1842 by Bunford Samuel the Nephew and Kitty Samuel Widow the Relict and David Samuel the son the Executors...and to John Cole (granted Admin only)]

    The National Archives; Kew, England; Prerogative Court of Canterbury and Related Probate Jurisdictions: Will Registers; Class: PROB 11; Piece: 1972

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    Quote Originally Posted by phillip View Post
    Eve
    Take a look at Synagogue Scribes Will Extracts NA470 Lyon Samuel 1842 where reference is made to Bunford Samuel his nephew and also a Catherine Lazarus (N....). There are several other Samuel relatives who have Bunford Samuel as a nephew -NA 457 Ann Samuel 1850;NA 463 Hannah Samuel 1848;Kitty Samuel NA468 1852 and NA 480 Samuel Samuel 1845 the father of Bunford- see also JewishGen UK Data base 1851 Anglo Jewry data base which has Maria Crawcour nee Samuel and her parents names plus her siblings.

    I need to research further in order to understand the Samuel and Dyte lines better.
    Phillip,
    I accidentally stumbled upon another Bunford Samuel connection in Probates and Wills on Ancestry:

    <LEVIN, Ephraim Esq.
    Personal Estate under £80,000

    5 April. the Will of Ephraim Levin late of 74 Hamilton-terrace in the County of Middlesex Esquire who died 11 March 1881 at 74 Hamilton-terrrace was proved at the Principal Registry by Moses Lewin Levin of 54 Princes-square in the said county Merchant the Brother Lewis Levin of 1 Bevis Marks in the City of London Gentleman the Nephew and Isaac Bunford Samuel of 1 Hanover-terrace Regent's Park in the said County Esquire three of the Executors. >

    (Ephraim LEVIN happens to be in my database as part of my attempt to sort out various JOSEPH lines of the South-West of England. Ephraim's brother Moses Lewis LEVIN married Nanie (Sarah Nanette), daughter of Judith Joseph of Falmouth.)

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    Phillip,
    // an aside: Coincidentally, my census search yesterday for Kate LEVI, daughter of Alexander Levi (who married Judah Solomon LYON, nephew of my 3x great grandmother Matilda LYON, 28 Nov1866 *The Jewish Victorian 1861-1870) took me to the 1851 census for Fanny CRAWCOURís school. The Kate Levi who was her student was the right age, but wrong girl.//

    Back to the DIETZ, DIGHT, DYTE family.
    This family falls into my research into the possible common family origin of three or four early LAZARUS families from different parts of England (Exeter, Portsmouth, Birmingham, London). I will highlight links between these Lazarus families where they are relevant.

    The early information for the family comes from Coat of Many Colours: The History of the Joseph Family by W. S. Jessop, 1951. (in the Susser Archives at https://www.jewishgen.org/jcr-uk/sus...blications.htm )
    which states that ďthe Dyte family were quill merchants of Bristol and they intermarried with the Lazarus family of Exeter who were in the same kind of business.Ē

    In fact, they intermarried with two Lazarus families, that of Moses b. Eliezer Lazarus died Exeter 1810 (m. Nancy Yenta M...bat Isaac) and Henry (Hirsh b. Eliezer pencil maker) pencil maker Lazarus, died London 1810 (married Perla c.1749 -1827 *her Will is available on Ancestry). Both families were involved in pencil, pen and quill manufacturing, and these are two of the Lazarus families I think may be one family. (The connection described here is only a fragment of a broader network of relationships. A reminder Ė Iím descended from Moses and Nancy Lazarus through two sons, Lyon and Eleazer.)

    According to The History of the Joseph Family, Meyer ben Moses DIETZ had two sons, Abraham Moses DIGHT (1763-1825) and David Moses DYTE (David b Meir Deit *cemeteryscribes.com)

    Abraham Moses DIGHT had one son:
    Lewis DIGHT, born c. 1806. Lewis Dight was a pen manufacturer. He married Elizabeth DYTE** (see below).

    David Moses DYTE m. Hannah LAZARUS c. 1777-1866, daughter of Henry Hirsh and Perla Lazarus. She was a pen and quill manufacturer after her husbandís death.
    David and Hannah had eight children:
    1. Maurice D. Dyte c.1807-1849. Married Louis Brynah CANSTATT.
    2. John Dyte c.1809-1889
    3. Henry Dyte c.1811-1873
    4. Elizabeth Dyte c.1817-1892 Married Lewis DIGHT**
    5. Charles Dyte c. 1819-1893? Married Evelina/Eve NATHAN. Seems they went to Australia.
    6. Frances (Fanny) Dyte c.1821- ? May have married William SMITH
    7. Sophia Dyte c.1822-1903. Married Samuel Joseph RUBENSTEIN***
    8. Mary Ann Dyte Married Charles BENNET

    Elizabeth Dyte and Lewis Dight** above had (among others, including Henry Dight born Cheltenham 1838) Maurice Lewis/Louis DIGHT 1835-1901, a wholesale optician of Birmingham. He married Esther LAZARUS (see below) in 1862.




    Levin RUBENSTEIN had (among others):
    Samuel Joseph RUBENSTEIN*** who married Sophia Dyte above
    Bernard Joseph RUBENSTEIN c.1827-1908. Married Julia LAZARUS^^ (see below)

    Moses and Nancy LAZARUS of Exeter had at least three sons; the three certain ones are:
    1. Eleazer (Eliezer b. Moshe) Lazarus c.1789-1845.
    Married 1st Julia SOLOMON c.1788-16 July 1836 *Western Times 30 July 1836
    Married 2nd 06 Sep 1840 Esther JACOBS
    [This appears to be a second marriage for Esther also as she had a son. This marriage didnít go well Ė there are news articles describing her harassment by Eliezer, which kept her from going to synagogue.]
    2. Lyon Lazarus c.1790-1849 married Matilda LYON of Bideford (parents from Portsmouth). Lyon and Matilda settled in Plymouth
    3. David Lazarus, c.1792-1862, a jeweller and pen and quill manufacturer. Married Elizabeth/Betsy JONAS of Topsham, Devon.

    Eleazer Lazarus and Julia Solomonís son Moses Lazarus c.1814-1873 married Rebecca SCHULTZ. They had (among others) daughter Julia Lazarus^^ c.1840-? Julia married Bernard Joseph RUBENSTEIN above. Julia was therefore sister-in-law to Sophia DYTE.

    David Lazarus and Betsy Jonas had (among others) daughter Esther Lazarus c.1831- 08 Dec 1913. This is the Esther Lazarus who married Maurice Lewis/Louis DIGHT (above) in 1862. (They also had a son Henry, born 1891, I think also an optician in his fatherís business. I think he was later called Harry, but Iím still sorting this out)

    Canít fill in all the source details, too much for me to manage, but itís mostly available through census records and some Wills or probates. Also some through tombstone inscriptions and marriage transcriptions in the Susser Archive.

    Phillip, as you can see, Henry Dytes and Henry Dights are in plenty.
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    Perhaps I should mention, given the Dights who became opticians, that many descendants of Eleazer and Lyon LAZARUS (I lost count years ago) also became opticians (as well as intermarried a whole bunch). But I'm not aware of any Dyte/Dight / Lazarus optical business relationships. I'd like to know of any.

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