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    Quote Originally Posted by blacklace View Post
    I've just received the Birth Registration back from the GRO, nothing unexpected. Joseph is named as the father. Waiting on the marriage cert now..

    Link to the birth if anyone is interested... https://ibb.co/DRx2vVq
    OK. I've got the marriage certificate back from the GRO his father's name is *drum roll*... John Smith

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    Quote Originally Posted by blacklace View Post
    OK. I've got the marriage certificate back from the GRO his father's name is *drum roll*... John Smith
    Oh dear! Does it contain anything at all helpful, like Joseph's age? John's occupation? Helpful witnesses?

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    Joseph was 23 on 05/02/1866 his father was also a lath render. Joseph and his wife were living together at the time of marriage witnesses were her brother and her mum

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    So that's a 'no' then! On his 2nd marriage he said Joseph Williams, Lath Cleaver, so he’s not even consistent with a forename.

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    Do you think he would have lied to the court regarding his place of birth? I suppose I could try and link Joseph and John smiths in Leicester from 1842-1866

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    The Leicester reference was from the possible 1871 census reference I found. I don't think the court record mentioned Leicester - just the marriage in Warrington.

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    There are possibly 16 Joseph Smiths born to John Smiths in 1842. That is of course if he was telling the truth on his first wedding

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