Sophia Joel

[Lneckstein]

Hi all,

I am looking for any additional info on Sophia Joel née Samuel. She was a station at 42 fore street, st. Giles, in cripplegate. One of the records on JewishGen said her father was Shmuel Levi Samuel. She died in a terrible fire in 1862. I am looking for info on her parents, siblings, grandparents etc. any info is helpful. TIA

[suemalings]

Do you know when Sophia was born and the name of her husband and when they married? If she died in 1862 you may find her on the 1861 census and possibly the 1851 and 41. If you don't have access I am sure someone on this forum will help.

[christanel]

Welcome to the British-Genealogy forums

For those wanting to help

1861 census RG 9 Piece 214 Folio 151 Page 31
42 Fore St
Sophia Joel 50 Widow, Hawkers, London Middlesex
Samuel son 26 engineering draughtsman Bishopgate Middlesex
John son 24 Bookseller and stationer Bishopgate
Annette Joel dau 22 Bishopgate

[Dundee10]

Welcome to the British-Genealogy forums

For those wanting to help

1861 census RG 9 Piece 214 Folio 151 Page 31
42 Fore St
Sophia Joel 50 Widow, Hawkers, London Middlesex
Samuel son 26 engineering draughtsman Bishopgate Middlesex
John son 24 Bookseller and stationer Bishopgate
Annette Joel dau 22 Bishopgate

That is the person above her, Sophia was born in Chichester.

[christanel]

1851 HO107 Piece 1525 Folio 413 Page 44
42 Fort St
Sophia Joel head Widow age 40 Bookseller, stationer newsagent Chichester Sussex
Samuel son 16 Lithograph apprentice Shoreditch Middlesex
John A son 14 Stationer's assistant London
Annette dau 12 scholar London
Henry C Joel son 17 Merchant's clerk Shoreditch, Middlesex
Plus 2 servants

Christina

Thanks for the correction Dundee10.

[christanel]

1841 HO107 Piece 727 Book 1 Folio 16 Page 27
St Giles without cripplegate Middlesex
Can't read the address
Joel C Joel 35 Auctioneer born in county? yes
Henry Joel 8 yes
Samuel 5 yes
John A 4 Yes

Christina

[christanel]

Joel Coleman Joel, upholsterer was declared bankrupt according to The London Gazette Tuesday march 21 1837.
He died 1842.

Now to see if we can get further back. Also where are sophia and Annette in 1841/
Christina

[christanel]

1841 HO107 Piece 1051 Book 9 Folio 31 Page Number 18
High St Peckham St Giles Camberwell Surrey
Sophia Joel 30 Born in county No
Annette Joel 2 Yes
Eliza Joel 2 Months yes
Charlot Cooper 25
Elizabeth Aveter 20

The following people appear to be in the same household. Are they Sarah's mother and siblings

Ann Samuel 50 Independant
Esther Samuel 25 Independant
Eliza Samuel 25
Catharine Samuel 15
Julia Samuel 15
Jane Samuel 10
John Samuel 25 Merchant
None of them born in the county.

[Lneckstein]

Hi All,

I have both censuses.
1851 Census:

Name: Sophia Joel
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1811
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Chichester, Sussex, England
Civil Parish: St Giles Cripplegate
Ecclesiastical parish: St Bartholomew
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: East London
Sub-registration district: Cripplegate
ED, institution, or vessel: 1k
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 192
Piece: 1525
Folio: 413
Page Number: 44
Household Members:
Name Age
Sophia Joel 40
Samuel Joel 16
John A Joel 14
Annette Joel 12
Marianne R Paine 22
Charlotte Maly 26
Henry C Joel 17
James Sawyer 30
Charles Browne 20
Henry White 14
Mary Grayson 52

1861 Census

Name: Sophia Joel
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: 1811
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Chichester, Essex, England
Civil Parish: St Giles without Cripplegate
Ecclesiastical parish: Moorfields St Bartholomew
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: East London
Sub-registration district: Cripplegate
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 153
Piece: 214
Folio: 151
Page Number: 31
Household Members:
Name Age
Sophia Joel 50
Samuel Joel 26
John A Joel 24
Annette Joel 22
Jane Grey 20

Her death can be found here https://books.google.com/books?id=2K...page&q&f=false

[christanel]

Hi
Have you tried matching any of the Samuel names in my post #8 (1841 census) with the possible father Shmuel Levi Samuel in your first post?
Christina