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    Default Help reading some Lancashire place names

    If anyone has access to the Lancashire parish registers on Ancestry, could they have a look at the baptism of Nancy, daughter of Richard and Ellen HALSTEAD on 24 May 1818 in Church Kirk, Lancashire? I can't make out the abode. Lancashire OPC has transcribed it as Allitroids but I can't see any such place. I wondered if it was two words All ...ds

    I have found the baptism of Nancy and her older brother James, also in Church Kirk in June 1816, when I think the abode says Accrington. When Richard and Ellen (formerly HAWORTH) emigrated to the Cape in 1820 they had a 9 year old son Thomas with them as well, but Richard and Ellen didn't get married until 1 January 1816 in Church Kirk. I suspect that Thomas was Ellen's son, later adopted by Richard, as there is a baptism for a Thomas HAWORTH, son of Ellen, on 22 June 1810 in St.Mary the Virgin, Bury. Again I can't read the place. It looks a bit like Toft, and there is a place called Toft about 25 miles away in Cheshire, but there seem to be quite a few on the page from the same place so I wondered if there is a closer candidate.
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    Could it be Alleytroyds?
    "dyfal donc a dyr y garreg"

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    It could indeed! I've just looked that up and it's a street in Church. Diolch yn fawr helachau. My knowledge of that part of the world is abysmal.
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    Croeso
    "dyfal donc a dyr y garreg"

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    1844 map
    https://maps.nls.uk/view/102343952

    Bottom of map - midpoint

    Like you my geography is abysmal tho' getting better with the frequent questions raised about "Does anybody recognise ..." etc.

    Begin to struggle once I'm beyond Lower Cwmtwrch - even Upper Cwmtwrch is pushing it!!
    "dyfal donc a dyr y garreg"

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    Quote Originally Posted by helachau View Post
    Begin to struggle once I'm beyond Lower Cwmtwrch - even Upper Cwmtwrch is pushing it!!
    . Super map. Thanks.
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    The other one could be Tott. an abbreviation of Tottington, which is about 5k north west of Bury.

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    Thanks Peter, that makes sense.
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    Baptism: 22 Jun 1810 St Mary the Virgin, Bury, Lancashire, England
    Thomas Haworth - Son of Thomas Haworth & Ellen
    Born: 26 May 1810
    Abode: Tott.
    Register: Baptisms 1809 - 1812, Page 8, Entry 13
    Source: LDS Film 559161
    Was Ellen a widow?

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    I don’t know, as I can only find the BT of her 1816 marriage to Richard which only gives names and the date, with no indication of marital status. If she was the mother of Thomas then she either gave birth at the age of 12 or her age (21) is wrong on the 1820 emigration list - wouldn’t be the first time. There were two Thomas Haworths who married just prior to 1810 in Bury, neither to an Ellen, and two Thomas Haworths were buried in 1811!!
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