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    Lightbulb Jacob Rayner and Eliza Fleming IOW

    I am researching my 3xGreatgrand parents Jacob Rayner b:C1813 in Godshill-IoW-Ryde and parish was Holy Trinity D;1903 and Eliza Fleming, B:C1816, Harrington-Newchurch-Holy Trinity-Ryde-Hampshire-IoW D:C1884 Portsea.
    I have recently been told that Eliza is not connected to my family so now I have to find out. This is like a jigsaw puzzle!! I have census, birth registrations, and I understand that in transcriptions there is room for human error and missing pieces, but need to know how to resolve this as there are DNA matches to me that have a lot of the same info. So I am reaching out to all links that may be able to help.
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    Mistranscription of name on ancestry with a correction given to Rayner.
    1851 census HO107 Piece1664 Folio 93 Page 37
    Can't read the address, Ryde, IOW
    Jacob Hayner 38 labourer Godshill, Hampshire
    Eliza Hayner 35 laundress Atherton, Hampshire
    James R Hayner 12 Newchurch, Hampshire,
    Mary Jane Hayner 9 Newchurch, Hampshire,
    Kate Hayner 6 Newchurch, Hampshire,
    Ann Hayner 4 Newchurch, Hampshire,
    Elizabeth Hayner 2 Newchurch, Hampshire,
    Maria Hayner 5 Months Newchurch, Hampshire,
    Ann Clavell 17 servant Cawesbrook, Hampshire

    On the GRO index
    Birth registration of Ellen Maria Rayner Dec 1/4 1850 reg dist Isle of Wight vol 8 page 255 Mother's maiden name(mmn) Fleming.
    So this birth reg matches up with the information you have. Maybe you should direct the person who says you have it wrong to the GRO index where you can also look for the birth registrations of the other children to get the mmn.
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    I can see birth registrations for a Robert James 1838, Ann Eliza 1840, unnamed female 1842, Kate 1844, Ann Eliza 1846, Elizabeth Sophia 1848, Ellen Maria 1850, George Thomas 1852, Thomas Maurice and Lydia Lucy Augusta 1854 (twins)
    ALL with mmn Fleming
    Didn't go any further with the search as I think you have it right.
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    The marriage is indexed on https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NFR7-HQZ

    Jacob Rayner and ELIZABETH Fleming (note Elizabeth, not Eliza)

    27 Feb 1837, Newchurch, Hampshire
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aynnie View Post
    ..... Eliza Fleming, B:C1816, Harrington-Newchurch-Holy Trinity-Ryde-Hampshire-IoW D:C1884 Portsea.
    I have recently been told that Eliza is not connected to my family .
    Perhaps what they are trying to say is that you have identified the wrong Eliza. I can see a number of family trees on Ancestry which identify your Eliza as being born in Godshill in 1820, the daughter of David FLEMING. Not only are the date and place of birth incorrect for your Eliza, but that girl married in 1840 to John PRANGNELL, her father named as David.

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    The FLEMING family in Whippingham in 1841 is James and Ann (probably the same person as Hannah) with daughters Mary and Frances, as well as Elizabeth aged 1 who looks likely to be the daughter of Mary (Mary Ann) baptised in 1840. Also their son Frederick with his wife Eliza (TAYLOR), and son John is aged 15 and working as a servant.

    I would be looking at this baptism:

    Arreton
    Born 2 June
    Baptised 25 June 1815
    Eliza FLEMING
    Daughter of James and Hannah of Bridlesford
    (Labourer)

    Of the three birthplaces that Eliza gives, 'Atherton' and 'Harrington' do not exist and I would think are a reference to Arreton.

    https://www.searle.org.uk/IoW-CRO/Fleming.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by christanel View Post
    Mistranscription of name on ancestry with a correction given to Rayner.
    1851 census HO107 Piece1664 Folio 93 Page 37
    Can't read the address, Ryde, IOW
    Jacob Hayner 38 labourer Godshill, Hampshire
    Eliza Hayner 35 laundress Atherton, Hampshire
    James R Hayner 12 Newchurch, Hampshire,
    Mary Jane Hayner 9 Newchurch, Hampshire,
    Kate Hayner 6 Newchurch, Hampshire,
    Ann Hayner 4 Newchurch, Hampshire,
    Elizabeth Hayner 2 Newchurch, Hampshire,
    Maria Hayner 5 Months Newchurch, Hampshire,
    Ann Clavell 17 servant Cawesbrook, Hampshire

    On the GRO index
    Birth registration of Ellen Maria Rayner Dec 1/4 1850 reg dist Isle of Wight vol 8 page 255 Mother's maiden name(mmn) Fleming.
    So this birth reg matches up with the information you have. Maybe you should direct the oerson who says you have it wrong to the GRO index where you can also look for the birth registrations of the other children to get the mmn.
    Christina
    Thank you for this info. This looks like the one that I found, but it did not show the job titles that is very cool. Ellen Maria Rayner's info is correct What is GRO index? and where can I find it?

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    Originally Posted by Lesley Robertson
    Welcome to the British Genealogy Forum, Aynnie. Hopefully we will be able to help you.
    Have a look round, see what we have in the various forums, pick one and tell us a bit about your search. These things often work best in small bites, so maybe the place to start is with Eliza, the connection you think she has, and why your contact says she’s wrong?

    Below is a copy of Aynnie's reply on the original thread in the Introduce Yourself forum. (merging posts was an option I rejected as too tricky for me today. But you now can only answer on this thread - the other one is locked.

    by Aynnie
    Thank you for your quick response, I was not thinking I would get help this quick...lol
    It isn't Eliza that is the wrong one it is her parentage, I was told that her parents were David Fleming and Charlotte Rayner, that was from my grandmother and I know that oral history changes with time, so I am trying to figure this one out and where to go. I need to find her parents Jacobs parents are James Rayner B:C1781 Chale-IoW and Jane Dash B:C1792 -Bonchurch-IoW

    So now we are looking for Eliza's parents. Go for it.
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    Hi Aynnie
    GRO Index https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates
    You have to sign up but it is free and a great resource in conjunction with FreeBMD.
    Christina
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    Marriage 19 October 1818
    Godshill Isle of Wight, Hampshire,
    David Fleming
    Spouse - Charlotte Rayner
    FHL Film Number - 0823621 IT 3

    There is this 1841 census
    HO107 Piece 406 Book 1 Folio 13 page 20
    Godshill
    David Fleming 45 ag lab
    Charlotte Fleming 40
    John Fleming 10
    Mary Fleming 76
    Flora Fleming 8
    Mary Fleming 5
    Elizabeth Fleming 3
    William Fleming 40
    Ann Fleming 28
    Edward Fleming 6
    Eliza Fleming 1
    All born in county.
    No relationships given in the 1841 census.
    In different households on the same page is a Jane Fleming 50 and a James age 20. Also Thomas age 10.
    At the bottom of the opposite page Francis a farmer age 40. All born in county.

    The Eliza Fleming age 1 in the census appears to have the mmn Taylor.
    Eliza Fleming 1840 June 1/4 registration district IOW Vol 8 Page 204
    Christina
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