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    Forgot ! My mum told me a few weeks ago her twin sister Miriam died at birth so that's why 2 registered

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    British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920
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    Alfred Wagstaff - engineers fitter
    Birth Date about 1894 St Mary, Leicestershire
    Enlistment Age 20
    Document Year 1914
    Regimental Number - 034595
    Regiment - North Mid Div Supply Column
    Religon - Baptist
    Number of Images: 12
    Attested 13 Oct 1914
    He was discharged 14 Nov 1914 and enlisted in the Regular ASC no M2/034595

    Family Members
    Relation to Soldier - Thomas William Wagstaff - Father
    Address 43 Aylestone Rd Leicester
    he went with the expeditionary force to France 26 Feb 1915

    On one of the 12 pages of his service record he signs himself A J Wagstaff
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    Hi Curtis,

    To order any birth, marriage or death certificates go to the GRO's site. (If you go to any others you will get ripped off.)
    https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/c...es/default.asp

    You have to register once; after that you just sign in.

    To order Keith's birth certificate you will need to quote the following details.
    Name: Keith H Wagstaff
    Year 1924
    Quarter - September or 3 (can never remember without going through the whole process)
    Registration district: Leicester
    Volume number : 7a
    Page number: 416

    By the way, tracing our family history can often throw a lot of things our way that aren't always good/easy to live with. (For example, in my early days with one set of parents I found the births and deaths of four Samuels as babies before one made it to adulthood so don't start looking unless you're prepared to take bad with good.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by waggy wagstaff View Post
    Forgot ! My mum told me a few weeks ago her twin sister Miriam died at birth so that's why 2 registered
    In 1934 your mother's birth isn't registered twice, it is one entry indexed twice (under each parent's surname) because her parents weren't married.

    Her birth was then re-registered in 1938, presumably after the marriage.

    The birth of her twin Miriam isn't registered, so she was sadly probably stillborn ( and they are in a separate register, not available online).

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    Hi , yes I know it can hold things you would never guess happened in your family history , just tried to get into keith's birth cert but it only upto 1918 when I followed the link ? births upto 1918 and deaths up to 1958

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    Tried to follow the link into the index but it only up to 1918 for births and 1956 for deaths ?

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    Those are they years that the historical indexes cover .... to order more recent records, go the "Place an Order" page

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    Alfred got married in 1921 to FLORENCE MIDGAFF , had a son Keith in 1924 ??? divorced FLORENCE in 1932
    Keith's birth entry on FreeBMD gives his mother's maiden name as Herbert which is the same as on your mother's birth reg entry. Does Keith's certificate has the same details as your mother's certificate? I suspect so and therefore Keith and your mother are full siblings. John Alfred and Florence Midgaff don't appear to have had any children.

    Florence was actually registered as Florrie on her birth registration, used the name Florence on her marriage to John Alfred. There are two possible remarriages for her.
    A Florrie Wagstaff married a John W Moore June 1/4 1933 Leicester reg dist, whilst a Florence Wagstaff married a Paul J Hardwick Leicester reg dist in Dec 1/4 1942. There are other marriages for a Florence Wagstaff but these two are in the Leicester reg dist, the others are in other areas of Leicestershire.



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    Quote Originally Posted by christanel View Post
    Thomas Wagstaff
    Baptised 20 May 1866
    at Burton Hastings, Warwickshire
    Father Daniel Wagstaff
    Mother Sarah Wagstaff

    1871 census RG10 Piece 3235 Folio 48 Page 25
    Rugby Rd, Burbage, Sketchley, Leicestershire
    Daniel Wagstaff 49 labourer born Nuneaton Warwickshire
    Sarah Wagstaff 44 Croft leicestershire
    Ellen Wagstaff 21 Burbage, Leicestershire
    Eliza Wagstaff 16 Three Pots Stretton Baskerville, Warwickshire,
    Mary Ann E Wagstaff 11 Three Pots, Warwickshire
    Sarah Wagstaff 10 Three Pots, Warwickshire
    Charles Wagstaff 7 Three Pots, Warwickshire
    Thomas Wagstaff 5 Three Pots, Warwickshire
    George Daniel Wagstaff 2 Three Pots, Warwickshire

    Daniel Wagstaff married Sarah Cockerel or Cockeril Dec 1/4 1847 reg dist Blaby vol 15 page 115

    Baptism Daniel Wagstaff
    22 Mar 1822 Nuneaton, Warwickshire
    Father Thomas Wagstaff
    Mother Ann Wagstaff


    Christina
    The above baptism for 1822 also brings up a death record in April of the same year
    Daniel Wagstaff
    Baptised 22 March 1822
    Baptism Place: Nuneaton,Warwick,England
    Death Date - 14 Apr 1822
    Father - Thomas Wagstaff
    Mother - Ann
    FHL Film Number 548398, 555361, 555362

    Then there is a second baptism for a Daniel Wagstaff to parents with the same names in 1824
    Daniel Wagstaff

    Baptism Date: 22 Aug 1824 at Nuneaton,Warwick,England
    Father - Thomas Wagstaff
    Mother - Ann
    FHL Film Number: 548398, 555361, 555362

    It was quite common for the parents to give a child the same name as a sibling who had died.

    To verify everything I have found so far it is necessary to purchase the relevant certificates otherwise we could be barking up the wrong tree. Marriage certificates will give you the names and occupations of fathers and the birth certificates will give the father's name and occupation (unless the child is illegitimate) and the mother's maiden name. However civil registration didn't start until Sept 1837 and even then it was a hit and miss affair then in 1874? it became the parent's responsibility to register their child or face a fine so things became more regulated. Prior to 1837 we are reliant on parish records and the information on these can be very sparse.

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