Hi thanks Neil. I'm not sure all i know is that the Cockings family from Newlyn was my mum aunt. I'd love to trace them and find our who they all were. I don't know anything about the Whitfords either my mum's memory is great so im trying to get any little info as i can to build a tree. x
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Thread: Williams or Cockings
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08-06-2018, 12:31 AM #11
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08-06-2018, 12:35 AM #12
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08-06-2018, 12:46 AM #13
Starting with the registration of your grandparents marriage.
Marriages Dec 1948, Manchester vol 10e page 620
Whitford Lilian M
Williams Cyril G P
This seems to be your granfather's birth reg.
Births Mar 1920, Williams Cyril G P, mother's maiden name PERRIS, W.Derby 8b 1296Alma
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08-06-2018, 1:52 AM #14
Oh. oh, has turned out more complicated than I'd hoped. So, I looked for a tree on Ancestry, found one which seems to be yours, Theresa, am I right? The tree has Cyril's parents as Lucy Perris born abt 1884 Birkenhead and Samuel Williams born? Hudson Bay, Canada. No marriage recorded on the tree and I couldn't find a marriage for the couple either. However, the tree has Frederick W Perris as Lucy's father.
Marriage
9 Nov 1909, Toxteth, St Clement, Lancashire
Herbert Cecil Mortimer Andrew, 24yrs, chief steward, 40, Smithdown Rd, father Herbert Leo Andrew, gentleman
Lucy Perris, 24yrs, 40, Smithdown Rd, father FREDERICK WILLIAM PERRIS, clerk.
Witnesses: Norman and Edith McIver.
Marriages Mar 1917
ANDREW Lucy / Williams Samuel, W. Derby 8b 732
So, it appears Samuel Williams is Lucy's second husband.
More to follow.Alma
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08-06-2018, 2:14 AM #15
Lucy Andrew, a widow, is on the 1911 census, age 26, born Birkenhead, living 53 Blythswood St, Birkenhead. I haven't found a death for Herbert, a tree on Ancestry has his death as Jan 1910 but no source to back it up.
Lucy appears on various Liverpool crew lists working as a stewardess 1911/12Alma
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08-06-2018, 2:41 AM #16
Taking Lucy Perris further back.
1901, RG13; Piece: 3503; Folio: 157; Page: 70
Frederick W Perris 47, widower, clerk (steamer ship) St Helens
Frederick Perris 14, shop boy, Plumstead Kent
Lucy Perris 16, milliner, Birkenhead
Mary Ann Busher 34, servant (probably the lady who becomes Frederick's 2nd wife see #18)
1891, Liverpool, RG12; Piece: 2910; Folio: 20; Page: 4
Frederick W Perris 30, commercial traveller, St Helens
Maria I Perris 26, Toxteth Park
Frederick W Perris 4, Woolwich Kent
Thomas R Meadows 28, boarder
Lucy is with her grandparents in Wavertree in 1891, RG12; Piece: 3002; Folio: 52; Page: 12
Robert Perris 60, accountant, Lancashire
Martha B Perris 61, St Helens
Lucy Perris 25, Garston
Robert Perris 21, account clerk, Lancashire
Lucy 6, grand dau, BirkenheadAlma
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08-06-2018, 2:55 AM #17
1881, 162 Falkner Street. Liverpool. RG11; Piece: 3625; Folio: 55; Page: 12
Robert Perris 51, accountant iron works, Liverpool
Martha B. Perris 52, St Helens
Frederick W. Perris 26, timekeeper at iron works, St Helens
Walter Perris 23,comm clerk unemployed, Halewood
Julia B. Perris 21, milliner, Garston
Herbert Perris 19, engine fitter iron works, Garston
Alfred Perris 18, engine fitter iron works, Garston
Lucy B. Perris 16, Garston
Robert Perris 11, GarstonAlma
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08-06-2018, 3:16 AM #18
Back to Frederick William
1911, 22 Abyssinia St Liverpool,
Frederick Wm Perris 54, checker, docks, St Helens
Mary Ann Perris 44, Liverpool (2nd wife)
Frederick Wm Perris 25, labourer paint works, Plumstead Kent
1st marriage
Mar 31st 1884, Holy Trinity Liverpool
Frederick William Perris, 26yrs, bachelor, clerk, 20, Springfield, father Robert a bookeeper
Maria Jane Green, 20yrs, spinster, 20, Springfield, father: William Purdue? Green a labourer
Witnesses: Thomas Hargrave and Sarah Hargrave
2nd marriage
June 3rd 1906, St Michaels, Toxteth
Frederick William Perris, 48yrs, widower, timber measurer, 8, Tramway Rd, father Robert, gentleman
Mary Ann Busher, 37yrs, spinster, 8, Tramway Rd, father John deceased
Witnesses: William Hy Roberts and George ClinganAlma
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08-06-2018, 4:05 AM #19
I cannot find a birth for Lily/Lillian/Lilian M Whitford in Cornwall within the timeframe. Nor can I find her on the 1939 register in any county. I'm wondering if she wasn't born Whitford? Could she too have been married previously, or she was born ????? but known as Whitford which perhaps was a stepfather's name? I'm clutching at straws as Lil* Whitford born Cornwall is elusive. Perhaps someone else will have more luck finding her. I'll pick up the baton again later, meanwhile ask your Mum if she can remember any other information which may help to find Lilian, perhaps your Mum knows where she was living in 1939??
Does your Mum know Lilian's father's name, or anything about him? It's odd because I can't find either Lilian or Cyril on the 1939 register, do you know where they met?
Could this be your grandmother's death registration, if so her birth date may help to pin her down.
Lilian May Williams, Age: 67, Dec 1993, Manchester
Birth Date: 19 Jun 1926
Register Number: C52B
District and Subdistrict: 0061C
Got a possible birth reg now, but her mum doesn't appear to be married as her maiden name is also Whitford, which generally indicates an unmarried woman, unless a Whitford married a Whitford.
Births Jun 1926, Whitford Lilian, mother's maiden name Whitford Penzance 5c 322
We really could do with finding Lilian in 1939.Alma
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08-06-2018, 7:07 AM #20
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Robert Perris baptism 1829 with parents names
Baptism: 17 Aug 1829 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Robert Perris - [Child] of John Perris & Elizabeth
Abode: Trowbridge St
Occupation: Book Keeper
Baptised by: William Tyrer Offg. Minister
Register: Baptisms 1829 - 1830, Page 38, Entry 299
Source: LDS Film 93878
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their last child baptism in 1844 shows John as Librarian in Liverpool Library - Robert was the second of 6 children - their 5th child was Frederick Perris
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