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    Default Depear / De Pear family

    I am descended from a certain John William Depear, who emigrated from England to the USA in the 1880s, and am having a hard time pinning down his English roots with any certainty. Here is the information I have on him so far.

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    Death certificate: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2MZ-WBPN (born abt. 1870)
    Marriage record: https://mediasvc.ancestry.com/v2/ima...d595ebf12efc8c
    1900 US census: https://mediasvc.ancestry.com/v2/ima...d595ebf12efc8c (born Apr 1862, arrived 1885)
    1910 US census: https://mediasvc.ancestry.com/v2/ima...d595ebf12efc8c (born abt. 1865, arrived 1880)
    1920 US census: https://mediasvc.ancestry.com/v2/ima...d595ebf12efc8c (born abt. 1870, arrived 1890)

    Candidate (John James William Depear, born 1864, Holbeach, Lincolnshire)

    Birth registration: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2XMZ-T2V
    1871 England census: https://mediasvc.ancestry.com/v2/ima...d595f1625a2058
    1881 England census: https://mediasvc.ancestry.com/v2/ima...d595f1625a2058

    As you can see, a good deal of conflict in the data! The only thing I can be fairly sure of is that his full name was "John William Depear" (possibly with another middle name too), and that he was later known only by "William". There is also variation between "Depear" and "De Pear". Furthermore, he seems either unsure where his parents originated, or to be lying about it (they vary between France and England). Perhaps there is a French / Huguenot origin to the family, though?

    Anyway, what do you think of this candidate? If it's not him, any other suggestions? It's the only reasonable one I could find up to now. (There's a John William Depear born in Greenwich, London in 1851, but this seems too early, and there's also a John William Depear born in 1870, but he died in 1904, Salford, Lancashire. So I've ruled out these two candidates on pretty clear bases.)

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    Hi
    the links mediasvcancestry don't work, probbly ancetry's T and C's at work, and I know it is a pain but it may be best if you just type out the info, or a summary, of each record.
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    there's a William De pear birth reg on FreeBMD in the Spalding Lincolnshire registration disctrict Dec 1/4 1867. have you seen this one?
    As i can't see the data in the links what makes you say that you can be certain of his name being John William Depear. His death info on family search just gives the first name William.
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    This is the 1881 census with the John William Depear born Holbeach c1864
    RG11 Piece 4767 Folio 109 Page 2
    6 Craggs Court Paradise Row, Kingston-Upon-Hull, Yorkshire
    Wm. Depear 29 General Labourer, Spalding, Lincoln
    Sarah Ann Depear 31 Charwoman, Terrington, Norfolk
    Jno.Wm. Depear 13 Grocers Errand Boy born Holbeach, Lincoln,

    He is in the 1871 census as John Gold with his mother Sarah Gold and a William Depear age 19
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    Oh I see. Here you are.

    First, my known ancestor.

    State of Colorado, Division of Vital Statistics
    County: Denver
    No. 14772
    Husband's Name: Depear, John W.
    Wife's Name: Revels, Johanna
    Place of Marriage: Denver, CO
    Date: 4/26/1893 (American format)
    Official who Performed Ceremony: J. H. Brinker
    Title: MIN (Minister?)
    Address: Denver, CO

    1900 US Census
    Name: William Depear
    Age (inferred): 38
    Birth Date: Apr 1862
    Birthplace: England
    Home: Chicago Ward 24, Cook, Illinois
    Marital Status: Married
    Spouse's Name: Johanna Depear
    Marriage Year: 1893
    Years Married: 7
    Father's Birthplace: France
    Mother's Birthplace: France
    Years in US: 15
    Naturalization: Na

    1910 US Census
    Name: William De Pear
    Age: 45
    Estimated Birth Year: abt. 1865
    Birthplace: England
    Home: Chicago Ward 20, Cook, Illinois
    Spouse's Name Johanna De Pear
    Father's Birthplace: France
    Mother's Birthplace: Ireland
    Native Tongue: English
    Occupation: Proprietor
    Industry: Restaurant
    Naturalization Status: Naturalized

    1920 US Census
    Name: Wm Du Pear
    Age: 50
    Estimated Birth Year: abt. 1870
    Birthplace: England
    Home in 1920: Chicago Ward 18, Cook (Chicago), Illinois
    Spouse's Name: Johanna Du Pear
    Father's Birthplace: England
    Mother's Birthplace: England
    Occupation: Electrician
    Industry: Construction
    Naturalization Status: Naturalized

    Now for the Holbeach John James William Depear.

    1871 England Census
    Name: William Depear
    Age: 6
    Estimated Birth Year: abt. 1865
    Relation: Son
    Father's Name: Matthew Depear (age 45)
    Mother's Name: Ann Depear (age 45)
    Where born: Holbeach, Lincolnshire, England
    Civil parish: Holbeach
    Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
    County/Island: Lincolnshire
    Country: England

    1881 England Census
    Name: John J.W. Depear
    Age: 17
    Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
    Relationship to Head: Servant
    Where born: Holbeach, Lincoln, England
    Civil parish: Holbeach
    County/Island: Lincolnshire
    Country: England
    Street Address: Washway Rd
    Occupation: Ag Lab

    His mother's maiden seems to have been name Mary Ann Brown, from other records.

    He disappears from British records after this. I've received information from a similar question on another genealogy site (just now) that there is an immigration record for a William Depear to Quebec in 1885, on the SS Sardinian.

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    Yes, I encountered that other William Depear in my previous searches, but he didn't seem as likely a candidate... I forget why exactly, but maybe I found a record for him in England after I knew my ancestor was in the US? Still, maybe we shouldn't rule him out yet.

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    Hi
    Our posts crossed but as you see I have found a different John Depear from you born in Holbeach.
    have to leave it for a while.
    Christina

    Posts crossed again but can't rule out either of them yet
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    Quote Originally Posted by christanel View Post
    Hi
    Our posts crossed but as you see I have found a different John Depear from you born in Holbeach.
    have to leave it for a while.
    Christina

    Posts crossed again but can't rule out either of them yet
    Yes. It seems there are three (John) William Depear's in question here. Two from Holbeach, one from Spalding. The one from Holbeach you mentioned I have located in the records, and it seems his estimated birth year in the 1881 census is 1868. I also see a John William Depear enlisted in the army in 1889, estimated birth year 1870, Spalding, Lincolnshire (Royal Chelsea Hospital records). This would rule out this particular individual, since my ancestor would have been in the US already by then, or at least very shortly after.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noldorin View Post
    Oh I see. Here you are.

    First, my known ancestor.

    State of Colorado, Division of Vital Statistics
    County: Denver
    No. 14772
    Husband's Name: Depear, John W.
    Wife's Name: Revels, Johanna
    Place of Marriage: Denver, CO
    Date: 4/26/1893 (American format)
    Official who Performed Ceremony: J. H. Brinker
    Title: MIN (Minister?)
    Address: Denver, CO
    That document is only a marriage record report.
    You need to dig a little deeper to see if Colorado issued marriage certificates (similar to English ones which are issued regardless of whether you marry in a religious establishment or a register office). That certificate may well have crucial information (such as father's names) on it.
    Some of the links mentioned in this article might be helpful.
    https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en...rriage_Records

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    It probably doesn't help, but William & Johanna must have returned to the UK shortly after their marriage as they appear on the New York Passenger Lists aboard the Lucarnia, departing from Liverpool & arriving New York 27 Sep 1894, destination Denver, Col.

    William Depair 29 Restaurant
    Johanna 25 Housewife

    There is a possible incoming passenger list aboard the Southwark, arriving Ireland 15 Aug 1894, but its too blurred to make out properly.

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