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    Smile Father of John Sage born West Harptree

    I have had John Sage's (born West Harptree 12 Aug 1843) listed as Richard Sage (born 11 June 1815
    Pensford) for quite awhile. However, a relative in Wales has sent a marriage entry for John Sage and Jane Fricker showing his father as William Sage. Although I have tried I only show William as a brother of John born in West Harptree 7 January 1846. Is it possible that Williams signed the registry as John's father. All other data for John checks out as to children and relatives. Thank you for any help.

    Carol-Ann Sage
    Spanaway, Washington USA

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    Do you have John's birth certificate which will include his father's name?There may be two John's so you need to trace them both on census returns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsage760 View Post
    Is it possible that Williams signed the registry as John's father.
    Parents of the bride and groom did not sign anything unless they were witnesses to the marriage. The couple were required to give the minister the names and occupations of their respective fathers, so if John said that his father was named William then that is the line you follow unless there is evidence to prove otherwise. What did he give as his father's occupation and who were the witnesses to the marriage? Why do you think that Richard was his father?

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    Harptree is in the registration district of Clutton. On the GRO Index which now gives the mother's maiden name the birth reg for John Sage Sept 1/4 1843 Clutton reg dist vol 11 page 102 gives the mother's maiden name as Wookey BUT there is a place called Wookey in the registration district of Wells Somerset
    The other John Sage birth reg in Somerset, time frame 1842-1845 is in the reg dist. Wells Union and the mother's maiden name is Marshall.

    There are two more births of a John Sage in 1841 both in the Wells Union reg dist On one the mother's maiden name is missing so presume illegitimate and the other is Ramsey.

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    On FreeReg
    John Sage born 12 Aug 1843
    Baptism 24 Sep 1843
    St Mary's church West Harptree
    Father Richard Sage Labourer
    Mother Harriet

    So this is the John Sage birth reg sept 1/4 1843

    There is a marriage on FreeBMD with Richard Sage and Harriet Wookey on the same page Dec 1/4 1837 Reg dist Bedminster vol 11 page 71

    Christina
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    bsage760
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    Default John Sage

    Thank you for verifying the information. By the way, I love the Burroughs quote.

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    The John who married Jane FRICKER consistently says that he was born in Litton. The John who was the son of Richard is consistently born in West Harptree and is living with his father Richard and stepmother in 1881. He is unmarried.

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    The marriage of the parents of the John born in Litton with father's surname mistranscribed.

    Marriages December Qtr 1841

    BARTLETT Charles
    FLOWER Mary
    LAYE William
    REDLEY Diana

    Clutton Vol. 11 Page 113

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    John Sage 20, married Jane Fricker 17, Feb 6th 1864 at Timsbury, his father William a labourer.

    Married same day, and place: George Sage and Ann Keziah Wall, both full age, his father William a labourer.
    Alma

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    Married same day, and place: George Sage and Ann Keziah Wall, both full age, his father William a labourer.
    He's not the George a farmer, with wife Ann on census returns in Litton, that George and Ann married in 1873, in Litton, his father is Jonah a farmer.
    Alma

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