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Thread: Actual birthdates
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04-12-2017, 1:47 PM #21Dundee10Guest
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04-12-2017, 5:54 PM #22
Has this marriage been mentioned?
22 May 1881, All Souls, Lancashire, England
Patricium Noon 6 court 11 Collingwood St, Father: Jacobi Noon
Mariam Kenny 6 court 7 Collingwood St, Father: Gulielmi Kenny
Witnesses: Patric??? Kenny 6 court 11 Collingwood St, and Maria Anna Mac Mahon, 6 court 1 Collingwood St.Alma
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04-12-2017, 6:14 PM #23aroundincirclesGuest
Hi yes am still in the process of digging all my Genealogy files and papers out. If my memory serves me correctly I think because the only Anna/Hannah (my nanna) I could find on the censuses was 1901 (she was born too late for the 1891 one) and with the Noon family and a girl called Sarah (she said she had a sister Sarah?) we automatically presumed that was her living with Patrick Noon.
Sorry that this is all a little long and confusing.
That marriage I do believe is Patrick Noons marriage to Mary Ann Kenny. Mary Ann Kenny is the daughter of my Nannas fathers uncle.
in 1871 there are 2 brothers living next to each other.
6 CT No 7 Collingwood St
Is WIlliam Kenny and family
and then next door at 6 Court 11 Collingwood is
Pat Kenny and family
(including ROGER KENNY) Nannas Dad aged 15
1881
At 6 court No 7
Is William and Family again, including a daugher MARY (aged 20) tho god knows where she was 10 yrs previous
1881
AT 6 court No 11
Is Pat and Family (although Roger just married yr before and moved out) Patrick Noon now living there as a Boarder!!
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04-12-2017, 6:20 PM #24aroundincirclesGuest
I was also doing a little digging last night and rejoined Find my past site.
From Memory on the 1901 census where I spotted Patrick Noon and Mary along with children Ann (10) Sarah and Mgt i think i had (naively) presumed they were the only children they had.
What had thrown me over the years was that this girl SARAH Noon her mothers mn is typed on one of the sites as KELLY!!!
Yet i found on a 1911 it had more information, and stated time married:30years. No of children born 12 (!) number still alive 5
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04-12-2017, 8:34 PM #25
Marriage Free BMD
June 1/4 1881 Mary Kenny and Patrick Noon on the same page.
Births
James Noon Sept 1/4 1882 Liverpool vol 8b page 25 mmn Kenny
No births Noon mmn Kenny 1883 - 1899
Margaret Noon Sept 1/4 1900 Liverpool vol 8b page 117 mmn Kenny
No Noon births mmn Kenny 1900 - 1914
Births
No Noon births mmn Kelly 1879 - 1896
Sarah Noon Sept 1/4 1897 Liverpool mmn Kelly
*Florence Mary Noon June 1/4 1902 Oldham vol 8d page 622 mmn Kelly
#Margaret Noon March 1/4 1902 Oldham Vol 8d page 649 mmn Kelly
#Annie Noon March 1/4 1903 Oldham vol 8d page 631 mmn Kelly
*John Noon March 1/4 1904 OLDHAM vol 8d page 629 mmn Kelly
#Winifred Noon Dec 1/4 1904 Oldham vol 8d page 586 mmn Kelly
#George Noon Sept 1/4 1908 Oldham Vol 8d page 680 mmn Kelly
#Hugh Noon June 1/4 1906 Oldham vol 8d page 694 mmn Kelly
*Eileen Noon Sept 1/4 1910 Oldham vol 8d page 621 mmn Kelly
*Mona Noon March 1/4 1908 Oldham vol 8d page 688 mmn Kelly
&Frank Noon June 1/4 1911 Oldham vol 8d page 637 mmn Kelly
&James Noon Sept 1/4 1912 vol 8d page 1181 mmn Kelly
Children with an * are with John and Florence Noon in 1911 84 Lord St Oldham. There is a Louisa Kelly age 20 niece, with them, also born Oldham.
Children with a # are with parents Martin and Mary Noon at 5 Scottfield Lane Oldham
Children with a & were born after the 1911 census.
So if the Mary with Patrick in 1911 is a Mary Kelly/Kenny and is telling the truth about the children born alive but have died then some births weren't registered. Or she misunderstood the question and they were the number of times she was pregnant but miscarried.
If you want to see a very revealing, and messy, 1911 census take a look at Hannah Noon age 64, widow of Peter living at Toxteth Park.
ChristinaSometimes paranoia is just having all the facts.
William Burroughs
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04-12-2017, 8:45 PM #26Births
James Noon Sept 1/4 1882 Liverpool vol 8b page 25 mmn Kenny
James Noon age 0 Dec 1/4 Liverpool vol 8b page 4
ChristinaSometimes paranoia is just having all the facts.
William Burroughs
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04-12-2017, 9:03 PM #27
Births with Kenny surname mmn Kelly 1881 - 1911 Liverpool only.
Mary Ellen Kenny Sept 1/4 1883 Liverpool vol 8b page 19
John Kenny Sept 1/4 1885 Liverpool 8b/30
female Kenny (no given name) Dec 1/4 1888 Liverpool 8b/4
William Joseph Kenny Dec 1/4 1892 8b/48
Mary Kenny June 1/4 1894 Liverpool 8b/19
Margaret Kenny March 1/4 1896 Liverpool 8b/37
Margaret Kenny March 1/4 1908 West Derby 8b/251Sometimes paranoia is just having all the facts.
William Burroughs
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04-12-2017, 9:09 PM #28aroundincirclesGuest
Yeah the only births I could see with mmn of Kenny were James, Margaret and Sarah (kelly)
Not sure any the ones in Oldham are any connection - although thanks for taking the time to search
And OMG i looked at Hannah Noon - some very useful information there for anyone doing a family tree
Some of the certificates I have have entries crossed out / mis spelt / wrong names! - very frustrating when that happens
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04-12-2017, 9:15 PM #29aroundincirclesGuest
Ive gone back to the drawing board as I am desperate to find ROGER KENNY born 1855 (Roderick on birth cert)
He has got to be somewhere on census for 1891 with a least 3 kids John(1885) William (1882) and Mary Ellen.(1883) His wife Mary should be preganant with my Nanna born end of August 1891
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05-12-2017, 2:09 AM #30
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I tried looking at BMD in the parish records to try & tie this family together I cannot find a baptism for Roger, his parents Patrick & Ellen married in 1852 yet there is a gap in the family!
Patritius Kenny 8 Mar 1860 11 Mar 1860 St Anthony's Patritu, Ellena
Living Dryden St Sponsors Edmondus Farrell & Maria McGrath
Maria Kenny 3 Apr 1862 13 Apr 1862 St Anthony's Patricu,Helena
Living Granville Street Sponsors Guillimus Kenny & Honoria Kenny
Joannes Kenny 15 Oct 1863 25 Oct 1863 St Anthony's Patricie, Helena
Living at 63 Granville Street Sponsors Daniel Cronin & Maria Kenny
Edmondus Kenny 22 Apr 1866 6 May 1866 St Anthony's Patricie, Helena
Sponsors Michael Connor & Maria Burke
KENNY, EDWARD MCGRATH
GRO Reference: 1866 J Quarter in LIVERPOOL Volume 08B Page 41
Maria Helena Kenny 26 Dec 1870 1 Jan 1871 St Anthony's Patritie, Helena
Sponsors Michael Moran & Birgitta Gillon
KENNY, MARY ELLEN MCGRATH Order
GRO Reference: 1871 M Quarter in LIVERPOOL Volume 08B Page 25
Patrick b 1831 on his marriage cert states his father is Roger this is a likely ( in fact the only) burial entry
Name: Roger Kenny
Age: 60
Birth Date: abt 1802
Burial Date: 20 Apr 1862
Burial Place: Ford Cemetery, Lancashire, England
Listed as of Gra(e)nville Street
Cannot find other birth entry
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