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    Quote Originally Posted by charlie4605 View Post
    VICTORY II Crystal Palace/Sydenham. Training Depot for RN. Division 1915 Called HMS CRYSTAL PALACE.
    VICTORY II Newbury/Portsmouth. Accounting Section. To Goodings, Newbury 04.09.1940, at Portsmouth (Commercial Chambers) late 1945.
    I assume this means that VICTORY II was a training depot up to 1915 after which it was called HMS CRYSTAL PALACE.
    HMS VICTORY II was still HMS VICTORY II after 1915 - HMS CRYSTAL PALACE was only an informal name, never officially HMS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bart592 View Post
    Hi

    Been trying to find out about HMS Fire Queen my Grandfather was on this ship 19th Nov 1904 to 31st March 1905 taken from his service record.

    Maybe training ship in Portsmouth.
    Hello, I am trying to get info about CPO J Arnold who served aboard the Firequeen 23 Nov 1904 - Mar 1905. I need a good photo (6 x4). Jim Rutter

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry Reeves View Post
    Victory II was the Crystal Palace/Sydenham training depot for the Royal Naval Division from 1914 and in Naval parlance, was "paid off" on 21.3.19. It was also known as HMS Crystal Palace. It appears to have had no existence prior to 1914.Terry Reeves
    Source: Shore Establishments of the Royal Navy. Lt Commander B Warlow RN 1992 and 2000.

    Victory appears to be a name used for Royal Navy accounting purposes which means that Victory II could be at Crystal Palace and Portsmouth at the same time. https://www.worldnavalships.com/forum...ad.php?p=68275 lists up to ten Victory shore stations and one post suggests that Victory II was the 'ship' used to identify stokers and aspiring petty officers.

    Victory II existed in Portsmouth before and after the second world war.

    John C

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    Whilst this thread confirms HMS Victory II as a stone frigate accounting base in ww1 it was clearly in existence in some guise pre-ww1. my wife's cousins record is shown below. So was Victory II a Crystal Palace accounting depot pre-ww1??

    Royal Navy Service – 278731 Stoker Charles Frank Racher
    BIRTH 12 OCT 1876 • Bassingbourn, Cambridgeshire, England
    DEATH 15 JAN 1954 • Edmonton, Middlesex, England

    8 Jan 1895 – 16 Jan 1896 – HMS Victory II

    17 Jan 1896 – 10 Oct 1896 – HMS Australia

    HMS Australia was one of seven Orlando-class armoured cruisers built for the Royal Navy in the mid-1880s. In the 1890s Australia was the coast guard ship for Southampton Water.

    11 Oct 1896 – 21 Nov 1896 – HMS Victory II
    22 Nov 1896 – 19 Dec 1896 – HMS Victory I
    20 Dec 1896 – 28 Jan 1897 – HMS Victory II


    29 Jan 1897 – 23 Apr 1900 – HMS Tauranga

    HMS Tauranga was a Pearl-class cruiser of the Royal Navy. The vessel was originally named Phoenix and built by J & G Thomson, Glasgow. She was launched on 28 October 1889. She was part of the Auxiliary Squadron of the Australia Station. During the Samoan civil war in 1899, she took part in operations with HMS Porpoise and HMS Royalist.

    24 Apr 1900 – 13 Jul 1901 – HMS Duke of Wellington

    From 1863 onwards HMS Duke of Wellington served as the receiving, depot and barracks ship at Portsmouth, remaining as such until scrapped in 1904.

    14 Jul – 30 Sep 1901 – HMS Revenge

    HMS Revenge was one of seven Royal Sovereign-class pre-dreadnought battleships built for the Royal Navy during the 1890s. She spent much of her early career as a flagship for the Flying Squadron and in the Mediterranean, Home and Channel Fleets. She was placed in reserve in 1900, and was then briefly assigned as a coast guard ship before she joined the Home Fleet in 1902.

    1 Oct 1901 – 6 Feb 1903 – HMS Australia

    Assigned to the Coast Guard Squadron. In September 1901 she visited Germany and Denmark, when she escorted the royal yacht HMY Osborne carrying King Edward VII from Hamburg to Elsinore. She took part in the fleet review held at Spithead on 16 August 1902 for the coronation of King Edward VII. The ship was placed in reserve at Chatham Dockyard in 1903.

    7 Feb – 8 Dec 1903 - HMS Venus

    HMS Venus was an Eclipse-class protected cruiser built for the Royal Navy in the mid-1890s. In 1903 she was in Chatham dockyard.

    9-21 Dec 1903 – HMS Fire Stream

    Special Service Vessel - Steam Yacht. Purchased 1882 and disposed of in 1920.

    22 Dec 1903 – 2 Apr 1905 – HMS Glory

    HMS Glory was a pre-dreadnought battleship of the British Royal Navy and a member of the Canopus class. Intended for service in Asia, Glory and her sister ships were smaller and faster than the preceding Majestic-class battleships, but retained the same battery of four 12-inch (305 mm) guns. She also carried thinner armour, but incorporated new Krupp steel, which was more effective than the Harvey armour used in the Majestics. Glory was laid down in December 1896, launched in March 1899, and commissioned into the fleet in November 1900. Glory spent much of her peacetime career abroad. She was assigned to the China Station from 1901 to 1905, before returning to British waters for a brief stint with the Channel Fleet and then the Home Fleet from late 1905 to early 1907.

    3 Apr – 25 Aug 1905 – HMS Centurion

    Completed in 1894, HMS Centurion was the lead ship of her class of two pre-dreadnought battleships built for the Royal Navy in the 1890s. Intended for service abroad, they exchanged heavy armour and a powerful armament for high speed and long range to counter the foreign armoured cruisers then being built as commerce raiders and were rated as second-class battleships.
    In 1905, the United Kingdom and Japan renewed the Anglo-Japanese Alliance which reduced the need for a large Royal Navy presence on the China Station and all its battleships were withdrawn. Accordingly, on 7 June, Centurion, together with the battleship HMS Ocean, departed Hong Kong. At Singapore, they rendezvoused with the battleships HMS Albion and HMS Vengeance. The four battleships departed Singapore on 20 June and steamed in company to Plymouth, where they arrived on 2 August. Centurion paid off at Portsmouth on 25 August. She recommissioned the following day with a nucleus crew as part of the Portsmouth Division of the Reserve Fleet because she was already obsolete.

    22 Oct 1905 – 2 Sep 1907 – HMS Nelson

    HMS Lord Nelson was a Lord Nelson-class pre-dreadnought battleship launched in 1906 and completed in 1908. She was the Royal Navy's last pre-dreadnought.

    3 Sep – 9 Oct 1907 - HMS Edgar

    HMS Edgar was a first class cruiser of the Royal Navy, and lead ship of the Edgar class. She was built at Devonport and launched on 24 November 1890.
    10 Oct 1907 – 12 Jan 1910 – HMS Powerful

    HMS Powerful was the lead ship of her class of two protected cruisers built for the Royal Navy in the 1890s. In 1905 when Powerful became the flagship of the Australia Station until her return home in 1912.

    13 Jan – 24 Feb 1910 – HMS Terrible

    HMS Terrible was the second and last of the Powerful-class protected cruisers built for the Royal Navy (RN) in the 1890s. The ship served as an accommodation ship from 1909 to 1913.

    25 Feb 1910 – 17 Apr 1912 – HMS Victory II

    18 Apr – 24 May 1912 – HMS Spartiate

    HMS Spartiate was a ship of the Diadem-class protected cruisers in the Royal Navy. She was built at Pembroke Dock and launched on 27 October 1898. She was a stokers' training ship in 1914.

    25 May 1912 – 10 Nov 1915 - HMS Minotaur

    HMS Minotaur was the lead ship of the Minotaur-class armoured cruisers built for the Royal Navy. Launched in 1906, she served as the flagship of the China Station before the First World War. Ordered to the China Station in January 1910 to relieve King Alfred as flagship. Minotaur was in Wei Hai Wei on 3 July 1914 when most of the ships assigned to the China Station were ordered to assemble at Hong Kong. Shortly after the start of the First World War, the ship, together with the armoured cruiser Hampshire and the light cruiser Newcastle sailed for the German-owned island of Yap. They captured the collier Elsbeth on 11 August and destroyed the radio station there with gunfire. They then unsuccessfully searched for the ships of the East Asia Squadron until the light cruiser Emden was reported to have destroyed several ships in the Bay of Bengal in mid-September. Minotaur was ordered to the west coast of Sumatra to search for the German warship, but was unsuccessful. She was then ordered to escort a troop convoy from Wellington, New Zealand in late September. The ship was detached from the convoy and ordered to proceed to the Cape of Good Hope and reinforce the squadron there on 6 November after the Admiralty learned of the defeat at the Battle of Coronel. Upon her arrival Minotaur became flagship of the Cape of Good Hope Station under the command of Vice Admiral Herbert King-Hall and escorted a South African troop convoy to Luderitz Bay in German South-West Africa. The ship was near Table Bay, South Africa when the East Asia Squadron was destroyed during the Battle of the Falklands in early December and she was ordered home on 8 December.

    Upon her arrival, Minotaur became flagship of the 7th Cruiser Squadron, under the command of Rear Admiral Arthur Waymouth, based at Cromarty Firth. She received a brief refit in early 1915 and was then assigned to Northern Patrol for the next year. During the rest of the war Minotaur served as the flagship of the 7th and 2nd Cruiser Squadrons and spent most of her time assigned to the Northern Patrol.

    11 Feb 1915 – 4 Feb 1916 – HMS Victory II

    5 Feb – 21 Mar 1916 – HMS Vernon

    HMS Vernon was a shore establishment or "stone frigate" of the Royal Navy. Vernon was established on 26 April 1876 as the Royal Navy's Torpedo Branch also known as the Torpedo School, named after the ship HMS Vernon which served as part of its floating base.

    22 Mar – 19 Apr 1916– HMS Victory II
    20 Apr – 16 Nov 1916 – HMS Vernon
    12 – 24 Nov 1916– HMS Victory II


    25 Nov 1916 – 30 Jun 1917 – HMS Actaeon

    HMS Actaeon was a hulk, originally the 50-gun fourth rate HMS Vernon that formed part of the Navy's torpedo school, HMS Vernon. She was renamed HMS Actaeon in 1886.

    1 Jul 1917 – 7 May 1918 – HMS Victory I
    8 May – 3 Oct 1918 – HMS Victory II

    Demobilised

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    Just a thought and The R N museum may shed more light on the subject. In 1853 the RN brought in the idea of Continuous Service for sailors. I imagine that this raised the problem of what to do with sailors once they had been paid off and were "between ships" but still needed to be subject to Naval Regulations. A possible answer was to assign them to a ship that wasn't going anywhere, e g HMS Victory. Perhaps someone said "But Victory has a complement of about 850, so if we have more than that number, we assign them as Victory Crew I, etc."
    Or, not.
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