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    I am looking for the Fitzgerald family, all of whom were involved in a mental capacity in and around Cork. I guess the years late 1800s into
    1900s. I believe father, mother, a son, 2 daughters, one of whom emigrated to Canada

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    Can you give us some names? Which one went to Canada? Anything that will help us help you.
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    Fitzgerald is a very common name in Co. Cork. There are 2830 people of that name in the 1901 census of the county. So, as has already been said, we need names, ages etc to narrow the search. What exactly do you mean by “involved in a mental capacity.” Do you mean they worked in a mental hospital?
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    No names. I think the whole family was involved in mental health work, all working in mental heath facilities. I think the father was superintendent of a mental heath institution within the Cork area, as, I believe was his wife. The son also had a similar role but I think not in Cork itself. Also no idea of the name of the daughter who went to Canada. She was a consultant psychiatrist I believe.

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    Hi Elwyn
    Please see the reply to Christanel. How could I access the censuses for Ireland? What is the latest census that is available. Did they do 1939 as in England & Wales? I may get a clue via the parents occupations.
    Also are there any records which give the mother's maiden names, and from what date?
    Lots of questions! Thanks in advance

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    With the exception of some fragments, the only complete censuses available for Ireland are for 1901 & 1911. They are on this link:

    http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/


    There was a census in Ireland in 1926 but it's closed under the 100 year rule, as are all subsequent censuses. There was no 1939. (Ireland wasn’t involved in the war so there was no need for one). But in any event it wouldn’t be open yet.

    I looked at the 1911 census and I suspect this is your family given that you have said both husband and wife were involved in mental health. That would be fairly unusual in 1911, I would have thought:

    http://www.census.nationalarchives.i...nakiel/403393/

    Couple were married 14 years and had 4 children all of whom were alive in 1911.

    Next steps would be to locate the couple in the 1901 census; then their marriage certificate on this link. Childrens births should also be there, if you want them. (Search under civil records). Note that in Ireland births, deaths and RC marriages have only been recorded in the statutory records since 1864. (Non RC marriages were recorded from 1845 onwards). Prior to that you need church records.

    https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/
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    Further to the previous post, I did a little more digging. Here’s the family in the 1901 census:

    http://www.census.nationalarchives.i...Urban/1041240/

    Son Desmond was born 4.12.1906 at Carlow Asylum. Mother’s maiden name Moran.

    https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy....07/1676835.pdf

    Parents married in Dublin on 19.10.1896:

    https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy....08/5827286.pdf


    No sign of any daughters born pre 1911, so presumably they were born after that.
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    Re. the 1911 Census, cannot see anything that links Margaret, wife of James J. to asylum work? James J's 4 line job description, which very much reflects his 1901 description, overruns into Margaret's space. On the 1901 Census, Margaret Mary has no occupation.

    The reason I ask is an item in the Dublin Daily Express, 19 Sep 1906
    " ... Application was made by the following candidates:- ....; Dr John J Fitzgerald, Cork Asylum ; Dr J J Fitzgerald, Resident Medical Superintendant, Carlow Asylum; ..."
    "dyfal donc a dyr y garreg"

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    Yes I would agree that the wife in the 1911 census has no occupation. I was wrong there.

    I had another look at the censuses in the light of your information. Here’s a John Joseph Fitzgerald in 1901 who was a single man at that time:

    http://www.census.nationalarchives.i...akiel/1136659/

    In 1911, he was married with 2 children. He was a doctor, but there’s no mention of a connection to mental health. His wife doesn’t appear to have had a profession.

    http://www.census.nationalarchives.i...nakiel/403401/

    Their son Otho was born 7.5.1908. Father’s occupation at the time was Doctor in medicine at District Asylum Cork. So there appears to have been 2 Dr JJ Fitzgeralds at Cork asylum at the same time. Must have been slightly confusing.

    https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy....39/1655182.pdf

    I found the parents marriage cert in 1904 and in it, the bride (Lucia Strangman) is described as a registered medical practitioner at Eglinton Asylum in Cork. So that is evidently the couple whose circumstances better fit the posters information. (And they had a daughter).

    https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy....10/5716589.pdf
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    In Sept 1906 Dr John Joseph Fitzgerald was second assistant at Cork asylum when he applied for the vacant post of resident medical superintendent, along with James J Fitzgerald, Resident Medical Superintendent, Carlow asylum and Dr. Cashman, acting medical superintendent, Cork asylum. Dr. Cashman was selected, via the Chairman's casting vote, after Dr. James J. withdrew. This decision was challenged and in a re-run in January 1907, when after long discussion the other two "were withdrawn", Dr. James J. was elected "unanimously"!

    Hardly the basis for a future, harmonious working relationship!
    "dyfal donc a dyr y garreg"

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