The two photographs of this married woman are of an ancestor, born in 1851 in Cumberland and who married in 1873. They were taken in the studio of Scott & Son, Carlisle no other information is visible on the front or back.
Can anyone suggest when the photographs were taken please, and if there's any significance to the elaborate satin or silk 'scarf' embellishment sewn on the front of her dress?
Thank-you.
Russell
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Thread: Dating photographs
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16-02-2017, 7:30 AM #1Crumbly HunterGuest
Dating photographs
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16-02-2017, 7:41 AM #2
Have you looked to see when Scott & Sone were in business? Look for trade directories.
That's just the trim on the dress. Remember 2 things - fashions changed more slowly in rural areas, and women aged more rapidly...
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16-02-2017, 8:33 AM #3
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I would say soon after being married and before having any children.
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The logo looks to be that of Benjamin Scott and Son.
https://www.carlisleshistory.co.uk/page42.htm
There's an entry for Scott B[enjamin] and Son, Devonshire Street."dyfal donc a dyr y garreg"
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16-02-2017, 10:44 AM #5
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https://www.cartedevisite.co.uk/photo...otographers-s/
What type of employment did your ancestor do? Quite an elaborate outfit. Give us a name let's see what we can find!
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16-02-2017, 5:30 PM #6Crumbly HunterGuest
Hi Lesley
Many thanks for your very quick response
Scott & Son were in business for several decades (1855 to at least 1910), so unfortunately, this doesn't help to narrow-down the time-frame for when the photograph was taken.
In my online research, I haven't encountered the embellishment that she has on her dress and so, wondered if it was indicative of an event, e.g. mourning, or if it was just a way of 'dressing-up' an otherwise plain outfit.
I thought her dress in the style of the first half of the 1870s, which would fit with her age of early 20s, however, the severity of her hair style seems to be that of a decade or two earlier. She was from a Methodist family living on Alston Moor (the northern end of the Pennines), so perhaps these influences affected her attitude to 'fashion', although I do recognise that fashion in the provinces lagged behind that in the cities.
Best regards
Russell
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16-02-2017, 5:35 PM #7Crumbly HunterGuest
Hi Peter
Thanks for your very prompt response. I think that I'm coming around to that as well. She's wearing a wedding ring, so it was at least 1873. I thought her dress in the style of the first half of the 1870s, which would fit with her age of early 20s, however, the severity of her hair style seems to be that of a decade or two earlier. She was from a Methodist family living on Alston Moor (the northern end of the Pennines), so perhaps these influences affected her attitude to 'fashion', although I do recognise that fashion in the provinces lagged behind that in the cities.
I was trying to reconcile what I know about her, with my understanding of Victorian dress and hair fashion. In my online research, I hadn't encountered the embellishment that she had on her dress, and wondered if that was indicative of en event, e.g. mourning, or if it was just a way of 'dressing-up' an otherwise plain outfit.
Anyway, thanks again and best regards
Russell
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16-02-2017, 5:42 PM #8Crumbly HunterGuest
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16-02-2017, 5:53 PM #9
I think about 1880. The style of dress,neck ruff and hair all seem to point to approx within that time frame.
pejay
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16-02-2017, 5:53 PM #10Crumbly HunterGuest
Hi geneius
Many thanks for your response
She is Elizabeth Millican (nιe Watson), the wife of Wallace Millican, a farmer census records are:
She married in 1873 and her first child was born in 1874 her last child was born in 1894.- 1881 wife of farm bailiff of 300 acres
- 1891 wife of farmer
- 1901 wife of a farmer (employer, not agricultural labourer)
- 1911 widow, living on private means
She's wearing a wedding ring, so it was at least 1873. I thought her dress in the style of the first half of the 1870s, which would fit with her age of early 20s, however, the severity of her hair-style seems to be that of a decade or two earlier. She was from a Methodist family living on Alston Moor (the northern end of the Pennines), so perhaps these influences affected her attitude to 'fashion', although I do recognise that fashion in the provinces lagged behind that in the cities.
In my enquiry, I was trying to reconcile what I know about her, with my understanding of Victorian dress and hair fashion. In my online research, I hadn't encountered the embellishment that she had on her dress, and wondered if that was indicative of en event, e.g. mourning, or if it was just a way of 'dressing-up' an otherwise plain outfit.
Best regards
Russell
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