Fred Longstaff b. 1876 Alston, d. mar 1938
Freds brother: William Matthew Longstaff b, jan 1868 d. des 1946
Fred married Isabel Hewitson ca. 1905
Fredīs Daughter born: Annie Longstaff b. 1905
Fredīs Son born: Fred William Longstaff b. 1908
Fredīs Daughter born: Florence Isabel Longstaff b.1910
Fredīs Son born: John Stanley Longstaff b. 1 okt 1912 and d. 1974
Fredīs mother: Ann Longstaff b. Alston, Cumberland, 1843 d. 1900
Ann Longstaff married Hugh Longstaff
Ann Longstaff married second to George Dickinson b. 1838 and d. 1919
Matthews marriage Englands Select Marriages Index has this..
Name William Matthew Longstaff
Gender Male
Marital Status Single
Age 24
Birth Date 1867
Marriage Date 25 Apr 1891
Marriage Place St. Aidan, Benwell, Northumberland, England
Father Hugh Longstaff
Spouse Jane Watson
FHL Film Number 1564654
Reference ID it 7, p 5, no 9
Im searching more info on Freds father Hugh Longstaff.
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18-12-2016, 3:21 PM #1
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Father to Fred Longstaff b. 1876 Alston
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18-12-2016, 3:56 PM #2
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Freddy Longstaff birth registered Alston Cumberland December quarter 1876 Volume 10B Page 433, baptised 31 May 1888, son of Ann Longstaff, no father listed.
You would to purchase his birth certificate to see if it listed a father but I would suggest that it is highly unlikely, as looking on the GRO site there is no mother’s maiden name listed which probably indicates that there isn’t a father listed.
There is an Ann Longstaff listed in the 1871 census in Alston: piece 5197 folio 39 page 33: Kings Arms Lane, Alston, Cumberland
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Hannah Longstaff Head Widow Female 77 1794 Formerly domestic servant Cumberland, England
Ann Longstaff Daughter unmarried Female 28 1843 General servant Cumberland, England
William M Longstaff Grandson - Male 3 1868 - Cumberland, England
I can’t find her or Freddy in the 1881 census
Similarly William Matthew Longstaff’s birth was registered in Alston Volume 10B Page 373 without a mother’s maiden name being listed. Jan quarter 1868.
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18-12-2016, 3:59 PM #3Im searching more info on Freds father Hugh Longstaff.
1871, Alston Cumberland, RG10; Piece: 5197; Folio: 39; Page: 33;
Hannah Longstaff 77, head, widow, Alston
Ann Longstaff 28, dau, unmarried, Alston
William M Longstaff 3, grandson, AlstonAlma
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18-12-2016, 4:05 PM #4
In 1881 Ann is also recorded as unmarried.
Slaggyford, Knaresdale, RG11; Piece: 5110; Folio: 73; Page: 9
Anne Longstaffe 38, unmarried, Innkeeper, Alston
William Longstaffe 13, Alston
Freddy Longstaffe 4, AlstonAlma
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18-12-2016, 4:15 PM #5
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How certain are you that Ann Longstaff married Hugh Longstaff?
In the 1871 Census she is with son William and down as unmarried, in 1881 she is with William and Freddy and still down as unmarried, it's not until 1891 when she appears married to George Dickinson.
It is possible that the Hugh Longstaff mentioned in William's marriage is a made up name for appearance's sake.
Emeltee
Sorry, the two previous posts must have appeared while I was searching the Censuses.
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19-12-2016, 12:51 AM #6
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You may need to get a copy of the Parish Register to see if any remarks have been made as to who the 'spurious' father is. The Parish would be unlikely to give parish relief if the father were known
Name:Freddy Longstaff
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 29 Oct 1876
Baptism Date: 31 May 1888
Baptism Place: Alston,Cumberland,England
Mother: Ann Longstaff
FHL Film Number: 1673842 IT 1-3, 252530
Same applies for the other son William, something looks as if it has already been recorded!
Name:
William Matthew Tates Or Langstaff
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 28 Jan 1868
Baptism Date: 16 Mar 1869
Baptism Place: Alston,Cumberland,England
Father: Thomas Tates
Mother: Ann Langstaff
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19-12-2016, 2:51 PM #7
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Thanks ! Longstaff comes from Annīs fathers line. Why did Fred and William get the mothers surname and not the fathers ? How normal was that ? We have done a y-dna 111 and big-y on this line. Neither longstaff/longstaffe or Tate/tates is in matches yet.
I can't find more info on this Thomas Tates.
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19-12-2016, 3:26 PM #8
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I should imagine that Fred and William got their mother's surname because she wasn't married to their fathers.
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19-12-2016, 8:31 PM #9
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Great. Almost every Tate on FTDNA has the same haplogroup as this father line. Tate seems to be right. How can i find more info on this Thomas Tate ?
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19-12-2016, 8:39 PM #10
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With great difficulty because you don't know where she conceived William.
She have been living locally or she have away in service. Nor as far as I can see is there any evidence in the documentation to suggest that Freddy had the same father as William.
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