I have Robert Abell birth date unknown and died in 1588. Spouse unknown. He shows as my 11th great grandfather.
He had one son George Abell 1561–1630 that showed up as my 10th great grandfather. George married Frances Cotton 1573–1630.
When I added Frances it showed as the wife of my 10th great grandfather and not as my 10th great grandmother. So far I'm not able to find another marriage for George.
When I tried adding more onto the Cotton line, it didn't show up the relationship to me. Which means the Cotton line would not be related to me.
George was born in Stapenhill Derbyshire.
Thanks Sandra
Results 1 to 10 of 12
Thread: Confused With My Abell Line
-
11-10-2016, 9:04 PM #1
Confused With My Abell Line
-
11-10-2016, 10:05 PM #2
This is what Todd Whitesides has to say on this find a grave memorial
Birth: 1561 Derbyshire, England
Death: Sep., 1630 Hemington North West Leicestershire District Leicestershire, England (this is on familysearch.org)
George Abell, gentleman, a native of Stapenhill, Derbyshire, matriculated Dec. 8, 1578 at Brasenose College, Oxford, aged 17. In Nov. 1580 described as 'late of Clements Inn' he was admitted as a student at the Inner Temple, and admitted a member in Nov. 1584. The arms of the Abells of Stapenhill, as described in the 1611 Visitation of Derbyshire, were 'Argent, on a saltier engrailed Azure, nine fleurs de lis of the field'.
On May 1, 1599 in the chapel at Wrenbury, Cheshire, he married Frances Cotton, daughter of Richard Cotton, esquire, of Combermere Abbey, Cheshire, by his wife Mary Mainwaring.
George Abell, gentleman, of Hemington died testate with a will dated Sept. 8, 1630, which was proved Feb. 7, 1630/31. His legatees were his wife Frances, daughter Mary Abell, eldest son George Abell, second son Robert Abell, and third son Richard Abell, then serving his apprenticeship. For the overseeing of his estate he requested the assistance of his brothers[-in-law], George Cotton, esquire, and Andrew Cotton, gentleman, both of Combermere, and his good friend Sir Richard Harpur.
Note on his descendants.
George's second son Capt Robert Abell settled in Weymouth, Massachusetts, and along with fellow Puritan merchant, Capt John West (1590-1659), traded in Virginia and Maryland, including St Mary's County, during the Commonwealth years. George's third son Richard Abell finished his apprenticeship at the Merchant Tailors School in London, before becoming a merchant factor in St Mary's County, Maryland, founding a branch of the Abell family in that county. One of Richard's descendants is my 3rd-great-grandmother Julia Ann Abell Ritchie (1818-1897).
Family links
Parents - Robert Abell (____ - 1588)
Spouse - Frances Cotton Abell (1573 - 1646)
Children
Robert Abell (1605 - 1663)*
Richard Abell (1609 - ____)*
Burial Sept. 13, 1630
St. Nicholas Church
Lockington
North West Leicestershire District
Leicestershire, England
Created by: Todd Whitesides
Record added: Jan 12, 2013
Find A Grave Memorial# 103451054
So which ancestor of yours do you have connecting you to George Abell 1561 - 1630
Also which website/family tree program are you using that gives you hints, which are exactly that -hints.
ChristinaSometimes paranoia is just having all the facts.
William Burroughs
-
11-10-2016, 10:28 PM #3
Robert Abell---–1588
George Abell-1561–1630-m-Frances Cotton-1573–1630
Robert Abell-1605–1663-m-Joanna Unknown
Mary Abell-1642–1724-m-Samuel Luther-1636–1716
Theophilius Luther-1665–1728-m-Lydia Kennicutt-1666–1706
Mary Luther-1699–1745-m-Isaac Hicks-1708–?
Mary Hicks-1755–1852-m-Daniel Pierce-1752–1840
Isaac Washington Pierce-1776–1859-m-Elizabeth Taylor-1776–1826
Ruth Lavina Pierce-1818–1907-m-Samuel (Monroe) Crosier-1819–?
Willard Lockyard Crosier-1841–1864-m-Eliza Elizabeth Hitsman-1840–1915
Willard Franklin Crozier-1861–1933-m-Margaret Louise Fletcher-1864–1940
Clara Margaret Crozier-1890–1964-m-David Robinson-1888–1967
Alice (Leah) Maude Carry Robinson-1922–1984
ME
I have my tree on ancestry. I can't figure out why the relationships of the Cotton line won't show up.
-
11-10-2016, 10:48 PM #4
It also shows up the same way for Robert's wife. Joanna Unknown
wife of 9th great-grandfather
-
11-10-2016, 11:15 PM #5
In my Ancestral Roots book it does NOT mention a second spouse for either Robert or Frances.
-
12-10-2016, 12:36 AM #6
- Join Date
- Oct 2004
- Location
- England
- Posts
- 9,629
Is Mary Hicks born 1755 supposed to be the daughter of Mary Luther born 1699?
(a) Given that would make Mary Luther 56 when she gave birth I would consider that highly unlikely and
(b) You say that Mary Luther died in 1745, ten years before she allegedly gave birth to Mary Hicks.
I don't know enough about how websites/family tree programs work to answer why the relationships of the Cotton line won't show up but could it be that the program has (like me) worked out that the numbers don't add up?
PamVulcan XH558 - “Don't cry because it's over, smile because it happened.”
-
12-10-2016, 1:18 AM #7
I know many people of my Luther line has many mistakes. So I wouldn't doubt that part isn't correct. I will look more into that.
As for ages having children. My Samuel (Monroe) Crosier's father was 69 when he had Samuel (Monroe). And my uncle was 66 when he had another. (rolling eyes)
They both had more then one spouse. And their last spouses were much younger then themselves. It's different with females though as you mentioned.
-
12-10-2016, 1:45 AM #8
I just found this info on family search. And it looks like everything beyond Mary is not correct.
Name Nathaniel Luther
Gender Male
Wife Ruth
Daughter Mary Luther
Name Isaac Hix (Also spelled Hicks)
Spouse's Name Mary Luther
Spouse's Birth Date 02 Jan 1703
Event Date -01 Jun 1739--(marriage)
-
12-10-2016, 2:06 AM #9
In another tree this person has Mary Hix-1757–1842-m-Daniel Pierce 1752–1840. This person does not have anymore info on the Hix (Hicks) line. But this person does have a picture of Mary. So he does not have any Luther's on his tree.
-
12-10-2016, 3:38 AM #10
- Join Date
- Oct 2004
- Location
- England
- Posts
- 9,629
I'm the first to admit that I know nothing about records kept in America, where they're kept, what precise details are given in them (for instance in some of the early UK records you're lucky to get anything more than 'Baptised 20 Sept 1606 the son of James Smith'), etc.
What I do know is that it's extremely dangerous to rely on anyone else's research into your family. By all means use their results as a stepping stone, but you then need to prove everything yourself. People have a very bad habit of looking for a birth/baptism/marriage/death/burial and taking the first sighting of the name that they see as 'theirs'. Nearly got caught out myself doing that when I was looking for the death of my great-grandmother. Place of death was correct, age was correct to within a year (I don't have a precise date of birth for her), but I missed the small detail that mine had a middle name and I eventually found (because I'd bought a local FHS publication about the local cemetery) that she actually died nine years later.
There's lots of stuff in Pedigree Files on FamilySearch about some of the people you name, but there's also a lot of conflicting details so copy at your peril.
If I were you I'd start again on the line, and look carefully at places where you could have made a mistake the first time round. e.g. do the places where the events took place seem logical? Is there too much/not enough time between births marriages and deaths? It's surprising what errors you can find when you double-check a line after you've been researching for several years.
PamVulcan XH558 - “Don't cry because it's over, smile because it happened.”
Helping you trace your British Family History & British Genealogy.
All times are GMT. The time now is 11:28 AM.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 4.2.5
Copyright © 2024 vBulletin Solutions Inc. All rights reserved.
Bookmarks