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    I have Robert Abell birth date unknown and died in 1588. Spouse unknown. He shows as my 11th great grandfather.

    He had one son George Abell 1561–1630 that showed up as my 10th great grandfather. George married Frances Cotton 1573–1630.

    When I added Frances it showed as the wife of my 10th great grandfather and not as my 10th great grandmother. So far I'm not able to find another marriage for George.

    When I tried adding more onto the Cotton line, it didn't show up the relationship to me. Which means the Cotton line would not be related to me.

    George was born in Stapenhill Derbyshire.

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    This is what Todd Whitesides has to say on this find a grave memorial

    Birth: 1561 Derbyshire, England
    Death: Sep., 1630 Hemington North West Leicestershire District Leicestershire, England (this is on familysearch.org)

    George Abell, gentleman, a native of Stapenhill, Derbyshire, matriculated Dec. 8, 1578 at Brasenose College, Oxford, aged 17. In Nov. 1580 described as 'late of Clements Inn' he was admitted as a student at the Inner Temple, and admitted a member in Nov. 1584. The arms of the Abells of Stapenhill, as described in the 1611 Visitation of Derbyshire, were 'Argent, on a saltier engrailed Azure, nine fleurs de lis of the field'.

    On May 1, 1599 in the chapel at Wrenbury, Cheshire, he married Frances Cotton, daughter of Richard Cotton, esquire, of Combermere Abbey, Cheshire, by his wife Mary Mainwaring.

    George Abell, gentleman, of Hemington died testate with a will dated Sept. 8, 1630, which was proved Feb. 7, 1630/31. His legatees were his wife Frances, daughter Mary Abell, eldest son George Abell, second son Robert Abell, and third son Richard Abell, then serving his apprenticeship. For the overseeing of his estate he requested the assistance of his brothers[-in-law], George Cotton, esquire, and Andrew Cotton, gentleman, both of Combermere, and his good friend Sir Richard Harpur.
    Note on his descendants.
    George's second son Capt Robert Abell settled in Weymouth, Massachusetts, and along with fellow Puritan merchant, Capt John West (1590-1659), traded in Virginia and Maryland, including St Mary's County, during the Commonwealth years. George's third son Richard Abell finished his apprenticeship at the Merchant Tailors School in London, before becoming a merchant factor in St Mary's County, Maryland, founding a branch of the Abell family in that county. One of Richard's descendants is my 3rd-great-grandmother Julia Ann Abell Ritchie (1818-1897).
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    Parents - Robert Abell (____ - 1588)
    Spouse - Frances Cotton Abell (1573 - 1646)
    Children
    Robert Abell (1605 - 1663)*
    Richard Abell (1609 - ____)*

    Burial Sept. 13, 1630
    St. Nicholas Church
    Lockington
    North West Leicestershire District
    Leicestershire, England

    Created by: Todd Whitesides
    Record added: Jan 12, 2013
    Find A Grave Memorial# 103451054

    So which ancestor of yours do you have connecting you to George Abell 1561 - 1630
    Also which website/family tree program are you using that gives you hints, which are exactly that -hints.

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    Robert Abell---–1588

    George Abell-1561–1630-m-Frances Cotton-1573–1630

    Robert Abell-1605–1663-m-Joanna Unknown

    Mary Abell-1642–1724-m-Samuel Luther-1636–1716

    Theophilius Luther-1665–1728-m-Lydia Kennicutt-1666–1706

    Mary Luther-1699–1745-m-Isaac Hicks-1708–?

    Mary Hicks-1755–1852-m-Daniel Pierce-1752–1840

    Isaac Washington Pierce-1776–1859-m-Elizabeth Taylor-1776–1826

    Ruth Lavina Pierce-1818–1907-m-Samuel (Monroe) Crosier-1819–?

    Willard Lockyard Crosier-1841–1864-m-Eliza Elizabeth Hitsman-1840–1915

    Willard Franklin Crozier-1861–1933-m-Margaret Louise Fletcher-1864–1940

    Clara Margaret Crozier-1890–1964-m-David Robinson-1888–1967

    Alice (Leah) Maude Carry Robinson-1922–1984

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    I have my tree on ancestry. I can't figure out why the relationships of the Cotton line won't show up.

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    It also shows up the same way for Robert's wife. Joanna Unknown
    wife of 9th great-grandfather

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    In my Ancestral Roots book it does NOT mention a second spouse for either Robert or Frances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SandraL View Post
    Robert Abell---–1588

    George Abell-1561–1630-m-Frances Cotton-1573–1630

    Robert Abell-1605–1663-m-Joanna Unknown

    Mary Abell-1642–1724-m-Samuel Luther-1636–1716

    Theophilius Luther-1665–1728-m-Lydia Kennicutt-1666–1706

    Mary Luther-1699-1745-m-Isaac Hicks-1708–?

    Mary Hicks-1755–1852-m-Daniel Pierce-1752–1840

    Isaac Washington Pierce-1776–1859-m-Elizabeth Taylor-1776–1826

    Ruth Lavina Pierce-1818–1907-m-Samuel (Monroe) Crosier-1819–?

    Willard Lockyard Crosier-1841–1864-m-Eliza Elizabeth Hitsman-1840–1915

    Willard Franklin Crozier-1861–1933-m-Margaret Louise Fletcher-1864–1940

    Clara Margaret Crozier-1890–1964-m-David Robinson-1888–1967

    Alice (Leah) Maude Carry Robinson-1922–1984

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    I have my tree on ancestry. I can't figure out why the relationships of the Cotton line won't show up.
    Is Mary Hicks born 1755 supposed to be the daughter of Mary Luther born 1699?
    (a) Given that would make Mary Luther 56 when she gave birth I would consider that highly unlikely and
    (b) You say that Mary Luther died in 1745, ten years before she allegedly gave birth to Mary Hicks.

    I don't know enough about how websites/family tree programs work to answer why the relationships of the Cotton line won't show up but could it be that the program has (like me) worked out that the numbers don't add up?

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    I know many people of my Luther line has many mistakes. So I wouldn't doubt that part isn't correct. I will look more into that.

    As for ages having children. My Samuel (Monroe) Crosier's father was 69 when he had Samuel (Monroe). And my uncle was 66 when he had another. (rolling eyes)

    They both had more then one spouse. And their last spouses were much younger then themselves. It's different with females though as you mentioned.

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    I just found this info on family search. And it looks like everything beyond Mary is not correct.

    Name Nathaniel Luther
    Gender Male
    Wife Ruth
    Daughter Mary Luther

    Name Isaac Hix (Also spelled Hicks)
    Spouse's Name Mary Luther
    Spouse's Birth Date 02 Jan 1703
    Event Date -01 Jun 1739--(marriage)

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    In another tree this person has Mary Hix-1757–1842-m-Daniel Pierce 1752–1840. This person does not have anymore info on the Hix (Hicks) line. But this person does have a picture of Mary. So he does not have any Luther's on his tree.

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    I'm the first to admit that I know nothing about records kept in America, where they're kept, what precise details are given in them (for instance in some of the early UK records you're lucky to get anything more than 'Baptised 20 Sept 1606 the son of James Smith'), etc.
    What I do know is that it's extremely dangerous to rely on anyone else's research into your family. By all means use their results as a stepping stone, but you then need to prove everything yourself. People have a very bad habit of looking for a birth/baptism/marriage/death/burial and taking the first sighting of the name that they see as 'theirs'. Nearly got caught out myself doing that when I was looking for the death of my great-grandmother. Place of death was correct, age was correct to within a year (I don't have a precise date of birth for her), but I missed the small detail that mine had a middle name and I eventually found (because I'd bought a local FHS publication about the local cemetery) that she actually died nine years later.

    There's lots of stuff in Pedigree Files on FamilySearch about some of the people you name, but there's also a lot of conflicting details so copy at your peril.
    If I were you I'd start again on the line, and look carefully at places where you could have made a mistake the first time round. e.g. do the places where the events took place seem logical? Is there too much/not enough time between births marriages and deaths? It's surprising what errors you can find when you double-check a line after you've been researching for several years.

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