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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandyhall View Post
    You need to be looking for a birth certificate for the son William Thomas Copeland, that will give you his mothers maiden name.
    There won't be a birth cert, he was born prior to civil reg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrshilly View Post
    Hi,

    Thomas Copeland from Cork, birth date unknown, but he died before 1869, and he had a son William Thomas Copeland 1845-1917, who was also born in Cork, they moved at some point to England and the rest is history as they say. He must have been married but I can't find anything on a marriage either.
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    Records - FreeBMD - The earliest possible date is the September quarter of 1837.

    This is when Records started in England and Wales so unless Irish records didn't start until after 1845 when William Thomas Copeland was born 1845 then no there wont be one.

    I have not had to research Irish Records before so do not know when they started.
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    Just Googled - when did civil registration start in Ireland. Very interesting as Cilil Registration of Births didn't start till 1864

    Taken from Ancestry
    About Ireland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1620-1911

    This database is an index containing details extracted from a variety of Irish birth records.
    Civil registration for all births, marriages, and deaths began in Ireland in 1864 (registration of non-Catholic marriages had begun in 1845). Irish church records include both those of the Catholic Church, which historically has represented about 80 percent of the population, and the Church of Ireland, the official state church from 1536 through 1870. While the bulk of Church records begin in the late eighteenth and early nineteenth century, some do extend back into the 1600s.

    So there could be something out there

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandyhall View Post
    Just found this it is a possible match a Marriage for a Thomas Copeland mentioned in the record of Thomas Copeland and Anne Sadleir

    Thomas Copeland - Birth Date, 1822, Age 25
    Spouse's Name - Anne Sadleir, Spouse's Birth Date, 1822, Spouse's Age 25
    Event Date 20 Jun 1847
    Event Place Temple Bready, Cork, Ire
    Father's Name - Thomas Copeland
    Spouse's Father's Name - George Sadleir
    The indexes to Irish civil registration list the marriage between Thomas Copeland and Anne Sadleir as being registered in Kinsale, Co. Cork 1847 Vol 6, page 377. If you order a copy of the certificate it will contain the same information as you would get on an English marriage certificate. The year (pre 1864) tells me that the marriage was not an RC ceremony. It was probably Church of Ireland.

    You can order a photocopy of the certificate from GRO Roscommon for €4 (euros). https://www.welfare.ie/en/Pages/Apply...tificates.aspx

    You have to download and print off the form. Then either post or fax it back to them. You can’t e-mail it to them. However if you want them to e-mail the cert to back to you, they will do that, so tick the relevant box.

    Put the reference details on the form (anywhere). Don’t worry about leaving some boxes blank. As long as GRO have the location, name(s), year, quarter (where there is one), volume and page number they should find it.

    Tradition was to marry in the bride’s church which should be on the certificate, (unless it was a Registry Office marriage). That church may be the place to look for her baptism and that of any siblings. However if the bride was born in Templebredy, Co Cork, then their Church of Ireland parish records only start in 1830 so it'll be borderline as to whether she's in the records.
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    Found this it is the only one to appear, after lots of different input searches returned nothing.
    The search was this William Copeland, Father Thomas Copeland, Ireland. (no date input)

    William Copeland
    Born 19 Nov 1841, Dublin
    Baptism 26 Dec 1841, Eustace street Presbyterian, Dublin
    Father Thomas Copeland
    FHL Film Number 100238

    now I am not saying for definite this is your William but its a possible to be looking at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandyhall View Post
    Just found this it is a possible match a Marriage for a Thomas Copeland mentioned in the record of Thomas Copeland and Anne Sadleir

    Thomas Copeland - Birth Date, 1822, Age 25
    Spouse's Name - Anne Sadleir, Spouse's Birth Date, 1822, Spouse's Age 25
    Event Date 20 Jun 1847
    Event Place Temple Bready, Cork, Ire
    Father's Name - Thomas Copeland
    Spouse's Father's Name - George Sadleir
    The parish of Temple Bready covers the townland of Crosshaven and this is approx. 17 miles south of Cork city. In 1850 Griffiths Valuation shows a George Sadlier as a tenant in the townland of Crosshaven with a house and small garden. A full set of transcriptions of the parish records for Cork are held at the Irish Genealogical Research Society library in London see https://www.irishancestors.ie/?page_id=1712 There were still Sadlier family in this parish in the 1901 census see https://www.census.nationalarchives.i...haven/1120948/

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