John and Ann Kelly missing between 1841-71

[slewis]

Hi and thanks again for your help, in all the time I have been trying to find my grandmother's family the only Lily or Lilian Kelly with father Benjamin is
1891 Benjamin and the family were living at 14 Back Clayton streer, Manchester, but young Ada now 11 is at her grandparents Lewis and Ellen Levine, house in Liverpool and I took it from there then I found the 1841 census with a Benjamin with father John .
on both my gran's wedding certificates she put father Benjamin . her childhood was in Manchester then Yorkshire she was taken there after her parents died , I think you now no all I do lol
kind regards Sue

[geneius]

I have had a look at various sites.

Lancashirebmd.org.uk

Alfred B b 1885 mothers maiden name DEVINE
Lewis B 1887 mothers maiden name LEVINE ( Census shows Denis)
Lilian b 1889 mothers maiden name LEVINE

Lansopc.org.uk

Baptism
Ada Ellen b 1880 baptised 1885
Louis b 1887 & Lilian baptised on same day 1889

Death

Benjamin KELLY bu 4 Noiv 1893 was desc as single abode Poorhouse area Cheetham

Mary L KELLY bu 16/06/1903 aged 7 weeks

Mary L KELLY bu 28/03/1916 aged 44 of Openshaw

Cannot see Emily!

[slewis]

Hi Thank you so much I had not found my grandmothers baptism or Lewis so thank you for that I really appreciate it.
Do you think my Benjamin is Alfred Benjamin who married in 1871 and that why he did not marry Mary untill 1886 and his father was John like my Benjamin ??
the only thing I may have on Emily and it may not be her, is in 1901 Emily was living and working at Caldecote Hall in Warwickshire she was was a laundery maid, in 1901 Lily is Sheffield, and Alfred and Lewis are both Boarders in the home of Mrs Sarah Low a widow in St Helens, they are both working as bottle makers. Ada living with a cousin Margaret Rigby and her daughter Hellen, at 26 Greetham street, Liverpool, she is still single and working as a machinist.
So I think there mother Mary died before then. as you can guess my gran never would talk about the past she had a lot of secrets.
Kind regards Sue

[geneius]

I have found Benjamin and his family up until his death in 1893.

Presumably the info @ #22
means that the year of death is now questionable or do you know this fact

[slewis]

Hi after not finding Benjamin on the 1901 census I found the death for a Benjamin in 1893 and I am just guessing it is him as I have not been able to find him .an I have had no luck finding Benjamin's parents John and Ann Kelly.

[geneius]

Ada Ellen
B 22 Jan 1880
Registered q1 1880 West Derby 8b 472
1881 census
Bp 22 April 1885
St Michael Liverpool
of 79 Park View Liverpool father Railway Porter
1891
RG12; Piece: 2910; Folio: 60; Page: 38
Louis Levine 65
Ellen Levine 65
William A Levine 25
Rachael Levine 30
Ada Delly 11
Alice Krasley 42
1901
RG13; Piece: 3414; Folio: 30; Page: 2
26 Greetham street, Liverpool,
RIGBY Margaret
RIGBY Helen
KELLY Ada cousin

Emily
B 1883 Liverpool
1891
RG12; Piece: 3234; Folio: 60; Page: 7
Back Clayton St
KELLY Benjamn 50
KELLY Mary 36
KELLY Emily 7
KELLY Alfred 6
KELLY Denis ( Louis) 4
KELLY Lillian 2

1939 Register
Alfred 1885 with an Emily KELLY sister or spouse?

DEATH
Aged 81
1965 q1 St Helens 10F 436

Alfred Benjamin
St Philip Manchester
B 21 Jan 1885
Bp 24 Sept 1886
Of 30 Mercer St M/cr father Lab’r
1891
RG12; Piece: 3234; Folio: 60; Page: 7
Back Clayton St
KELLY Benjamn 50
KELLY Mary 36
KELLY Emily 7
KELLY Alfred 6
KELLY Denis ( Louis) 4
KELLY Lillian 2
1901
RG13; Piece: 3522; Folio: 127; Page: 33
Westfield St St Helens
KELLY Louis 15 boarder bottle maker
KELLY Alfred 17 boarder bottle maker
1911
RG14; Piece: 22779
52 Borough Rd St Helens Lanc property end of terrace
KELLY Louis 24
KELLY Margaret 23
KELLY Alfred 26

1939 Register
Alfred 1885 with an Emily KELLY sister or spouse?

Potential death
Mar 1943
KELLY Alfred aged 58 Prescot 8b 712

Louis ( Denis)
B 1887
1901
RG13; Piece: 3522; Folio: 127; Page: 33
Westfield St St Helens
KELLY Louis 15 boarder bottle maker
KELLY Alfred 17 boarder bottle maker
1908
Marriage alternatives
1) Prescot 8b 1274
KELLY Denis
QUINN Margaret Ann
2) Prescot 8b 1133
KELLY Lewis
BRADLEY Margaret
1911
RG14; Piece: 22779
52 Borough Rd St Helens Lanc
KELLY Louis 24
KELLY Margaret 23
KELLY Alfred 26
DEATH

Denis
Mar 1940 aged 52
Prescot 8b 1581

Potential off spring KELLY / QUINN
DENNIS b q2 1915 Prescot 8b 1386
Check freebmd.org.uk enter Kelly / Quinn 1911 -1930 Prescot 12 names appear, however not all are Louis / Denis & Margaret Ann’s children There is another KELLY / QUINN marriage in 1924 So I think upto Wilfred 1921 are your children ( 5)

[geneius]

An option for Mary Lousa KELLY

MARY L
Last name KELLY
Birth year 1856
Age 56
Death quarter 1
Death year 1912
District PRESCOT
County Lancashire
Volume 8B
Page 988

[slewis]

Hi thank you again for all this help, and the information off the 1939 register its nice to think it is Emily with Alfred, and lewis and his family all in and around St Helens, but do you know if this is my gran's family we only lived about 6 miles away from St Helens and did not know she even had brother's and sister's like I said she would never talk about the past.
I did find this on Lancashire BMD
KELLY Lewis BRADLEY Margaret St Thomas Eccleston St Helens 1909

[geneius]

but do you know if this is my gran's family we only lived about 6 miles away from St Helens and did not know she even had brother's and sister's

OK! The only person I haven't looked for is your gran Lilian, give me the info you have on her and I will cinfirm whethter I think these are her siblings and you are on the correct track for researching back!

[geneius]

I have been looking to establish some more information on the LEVINE family and decided you need to look at all records, they appear to change religion / fornames etc
Louis / Lewis/ Ludovice
Ellen/ Helenae /

Louis / Lewis married Ellen BUTLER 1849 St Thomas Liverpool

Ellen Butler
Date 31 Dec 1849
Place St. Thomas', Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Father's Name Lewis Levine
Spouse's Father's Name John Butler

Ellen brought a child into the marriage Ellen BUTLER b 1846 Manchestser


John b22 Aug 1850 bp 26 August 1850 St Patrick ( not on 1851 census)

Joseph b 7 Feb 1852 bap 23 Feb 1852 St Joseph’s ( not on 1861 census) bu 3 Dec 1854 St Anthony’s

Alfidus aka Alfredb 1 Jan 1856 bp 10 feb 1856) of LudoviciLevine
Maria Louisa aka Mary Louisa b 10 March 1858 bap 11 April 1858 St Francis Xavier[/B]
Rachel Ellen b 21 May 1860 bp 17 June 1860 St Vincent de Paul Liverpool
Married 1892 Charles Albert RADLEY
1901 census as Lily prof piano player with son
Charles Lewis RADLEY b 1894 – 1902 bu Fords Cemetery
Carolus Ludovicus Radley 3 Oct 1894 14 Oct 1894 St Vincent de Paul Caroli Alberti Radley,
Rachael Helena Levine
and father

Lewis / Louis b 16 October 1862 bp 27 Dec 1863 Liverpool, St Nicholas
Wiliam (Gulielmus ) Andrew
B15 Dec 1865 bap St Vincent de Paul

Which now throws up the possibility of a need to look for Maria Louisa KELLY!!