Mary Jane/Ann Fenwick

[almach]

Son Alexander Cecil was a Grenadier Guard died Sept 1916 France.

When he married he named his father Frederick Graham - retired officer in the army.

[almach]

Wondering why Mary Jane/Ann is known as Graham, perhaps she was married to a Mr Graham? Could her first born children be a Mr Graham's children?

[almach]

Added: He is all stitched up and having a nap. Trouble is these are never clean cuts but mince the flesh a bit however he did miss the bone this time.

The nap will do him good, sounds like he's accident prone!

[christanel]

OK so Frederick Greatorex died in 1907 at 4 York Terrace, Regents Park. Probate to his wife Mary Jane.

So no use looking for him in the 1911.

Christina

[christanel]

Wondering why Mary Jane/Ann is known as Graham, perhaps she was married to a Mr Graham? Could her first born children be a Mr Graham's children?

My thoughts exactly almach because there is no evidence of her in the censuses with Greatorex. That marriage certificate is needed.

Christina

[almach]

Have to leave it now, bed is calling me!

Catch you later, Christina

[almach]

Odd that Mary Jane and Frederick don't appear to be together on any census returns, even after Frederick has retired from the Army.

[Megan Roberts]

Mary Fenwick married Robert Graham April quarter 1864 Newcastle upon Tyne Volume 10b Page 85.

[christanel]

Hi
been looking at this again and the Frederick Greatorex who died in 1907 was aged 74 so born c1833 which makes him a fair bit older than Mary Jane.

OK so I have been messing about looking at records for Frederick Greatorex born c1833 and there is a baptism to a father Jeremiah (merchant) and mother Eliza - 28 May 1833 at Clapton. So then I went looking for Jeremiah and Eliza and found a marriage for a Walford Greatorex to Sussana Margaret Levick- father Jeremiah, both fathers are merchants.
The Walford name is the surname of Eliza who married Jeremiah at St Dunstan in the West 1 June 1825. Her father, James, gave his consent as she was a minor.
Baptisms of children of Jeremiah and Eliza
Eliza Greatorex 1826
Walford Greatorex 1828
Marion Greatorex 1830
Ann Greatorex 1831
Frederick 1833
Emily Greatorex 1835
Eliza Greatorex 1836

1841
Spring Hill St John Hackney
Jeremiah Greatorex 50 merchant born in county? No
Marrian Greatorex 10 Yes
Anne Greatorex 9 Yes
James Greatorex 8 yes
Emily Greatorex 7 Yes
Eliza Greatorex 5 Yes
Eliza Walford 60 Ind. Yes
Caroline Nasmyth? 30 Ind. Yes

Has wife Eliza Walford died? because it can't be this Eliza Walford who is 10 years older than Jeremiah.

I am just playing around with this because I am not convinced that Mary Jane's children's father was Frederick Greatorex

1851 HO107 Piece 1630 Folio 519 Page 17
6 Royal Crescent Spring Hill
Georgiana Greatrex 24 Head Fund Holder, Chelsea
Catherine Greatrex 23 Fund Holder, Chelsea
Frederick Greatrex 19 Fund Holder Marylebone,
Mary Dymsdale 25 Visitor Independent ?? Edinburgh Scotland
Min Marsh 24 Servant, Cook, Kent
Mary Ann Manfield 73 Housekeeper (entry in infirmities column I can't read)
Edward Greatrex 20 brother Fund Holder Marylebone

1861 RG 9 Piece 430 Folio 110 Page 29
Frederick age 29 in Aldershot at the George Hotel. When I saw Aldershot on the transcript I thought he would be in barracks but he is squeezed in at the bottom of the page and no occupation given.

1871 RG10 Piece 1685 Folio 99 Page 1
Colchester Cavalry Barracks, unmarried, age 38, A captain

1881 RG11 Piece 1029 Folio 19 Page 31
4 Stockleigh Rd Hastings St Mary Magdalen Sussex
Frederick Greatorex 49 Retired From War Office London middlesex
Georgiana Andrew Widow sister 57 London

1891 - RG12 Piece 1011 Folio 92 Page 2
1 Helena Terrace New Windsor Berkshire
Jane Budden 54
Jane Dowel Budden 23 dau
Sarah Hale 35 Maid
Lucy Maclead 69 Lodger
Frederick Greatrex 60 Lodger Retired Captain from Army
S Sarah Drury 34 Boarder

1901 RG13/116/114/9
York Terrace, St Marylebone
Eliza Browne 64 Widow , NK occupation Hackney, Middlesex,
Frederick Greatorex, brother, Married, Living on own means Upper Clapton
Plus 4 servants

Well that filled in the morning

Christina

[christanel]

Mary Fenwick married Robert Graham April quarter 1864 Newcastle upon Tyne Volume 10b Page 85.

Hi Megan,
I saw that one yesterday and there are 3 Mary Jane Fenwicks born 1845+/- 5 years. Two in Durham 1846 and 1849 and one in Northumberland 1849.
I still would like to see the marriage certificate for June 1893 as wel as that for Robert Graham

I'll take another look at censuses later, I'd better do some domestics

Christina