ANN LION(S), BARNET LEVY and SAMUEL ISAACS

[phillip]

Steve
There is the British Jewry group many of whom have specialist and informed knowledge about Jewish family history. This is a group I have posted messages on as have some of my Jacobs cousins in the early days of our research. You may want to check their archives for any relevant data or else post a query.

I have yet to check the JewishGen family trees data base on your lines.

With regard to Isaac Levy Isaacs and his marrying out of the Jewish customs here is his marriage record for other researchers;
Trinity Church Parish St.Marylebone Middlesex
30 June 1845
Isaac Levy Isaacs full age bachelor Lawyer's clerk 23 Southampton Street-father Samuel Isaacs deceased
Jane Head full age spinster 25 Southampton Street -father William Head farmer
Witnesses
Thomas Cheshire;Eliza Devidge

I noted that when Thomas Isaac Isaacs was baptised his parents were living at Castle Street and Isaac was General Dealer.

Numbers of Ancestry.Co family trees have the mother of Isaac as Ann Helder.
This is the problem with trees having limited or wrong supporting data.

One major issue is that when Isaac married out of the Jewish customs it is likely he isolated himself from Jewish relatives. He doesn't appear in any of the Jewish records I hold or can access which presents difficulty tracing the lines further back.

Isaac Levy Isaacs on his marriage was a lawyers clerk which is interesting given the Levy/Jacobs links to the law as solicitors; sheriff officer; law clerk. Is there any evidence he was involved with them?
It raises the question as to why he became a general dealer and if so in what trade.
Do you have any data on his trade?
I further noted on the Ancestry.Co family trees that Isaac died 19 Dec 1872 from a fractured pelvis caused by falling between a railway carriage and the platform of Kings Cross Station- is that your own understanding?

[phillip]

Steve
Re-visiting the current records on Simon Levy letter of administration 1827 his wife Hannah signs with an x mark and a witness is Myer Solomon picture dealer Pall Mall London. This Myer Solomon appears in the Jewish London trade records as a picture dealer 119 Pall Mall 1825;121 Pall Mall in 1830 picture repository. His will extract is on Synagogue Scribes NA 508 1841. In his will Myer names his sister as Phobe Levy and leaves bequests to various Davis including Charles Davis of Charles Street, Moses,Harris the relationships are not defined.
A witness to the will was Moses RAPHAEL 1 Stone Cutter Court Upper St.Martins Lane

Hannah Levy died 16 Feb 1843 12 St.Albans Place St.James Square
age 88 wife of Simon Levy silver smith-informant Sarah RAPHAEL her x mark 1 Stone Court St.Martins Square

The Jewish London trade records show Simon Levy 1827-28 curiosity,shell and picture dealer 13 Charles Street Soho and there is the Simon Levy Great Russell Court Drury Lane 1793-1809 goldsmith and silversmith and referred to in the Old Bailey trials with wife Hannah.

What we have no current data on is Phoebe Levy nee Solomon sister of Myer Solomon. Is she related to the Levy as per this thread? Are all the Davis,Harris,Moses friends or relatives of Myer Solomon and similarly is there any family connection between the Raphael and the Levy?

Who exactly are the Hannah and Ann as per this thread and earlier threads- this remains unclear.

[phillip]

Steve
This appears to be the marriage of Moses Raphael to Sarah LEVY-Synagogue Scribes GSM118/12 Moses RAPHAEL 1 Feb 1809 father's Hebrew name Michael Kopf -Sarah LEVY father's Hebrew name Leib SGL ( see Synagogue Scribes for SGL meaning)

Nb NA 1039 1818 Sarah RAPHAEL spinster sibling Jane LEVY-Executor SAMUEL ISAACS fruiterer 11 New Street Covent Garden- see NA 197 Samuel Isaacs 1843

Later records I hold show relationships between Moses/Raphael as per Michael Raphael son of Moses/Sarah
see 1841 Census (Copyright TNA HO107 740 5 10 25 5 12)
1 Stone Cutter Court St.Martins in the Fields
Moses RAPHAEL 60 Clothes salesman
Sarah 50
Phoebe 25
Jane 20
Michael 15
Clara 15
Elizabeth 13
Esther 12
All born in county

It is clear from the various records that the family relationships to Levy and Isaacs need unpicking and a careful analysis of the records is required to ensure that data is accurate and the right people identified.

[mark_bridge]

Hi Steve,

I'm a descendant of Emma (Levy/Isaacs) Garcia - we were in touch years ago. Your recent findings are fascinating and seem very promising. I wondered whether there were any clues in the papers you've seen as to how Emma might fit into the family, given that she was said to be illegitimate? She seems to have been born too late to be the daughter of Ann (or Hannah), so I wonder if she was the illegitimate daughter of Simon Levy by another woman, while the other, older children were Ann's. Alternatively, I suppose she may have been the illegitimate daughter of Samuel Isaacs, although she used the name Levy at her marriage. I had previously assumed that Emma was Ann's daughter by Samuel Isaacs, born when her mother was still married to Mr Levy, but Ann's age does appear to rule this out. I'd be interested in any thoughts you have on this, though I suppose it's unlikely there will be surviving evidence to answer this particular question.

Best wishes,

Mark

[stevei]

Steve
This appears to be the marriage of Moses Raphael to Sarah LEVY-Synagogue Scribes GSM118/12 Moses RAPHAEL 1 Feb 1809 father's Hebrew name Michael Kopf -Sarah LEVY father's Hebrew name Leib SGL ( see Synagogue Scribes for SGL meaning)

Nb NA 1039 1818 Sarah RAPHAEL spinster sibling Jane LEVY-Executor SAMUEL ISAACS fruiterer 11 New Street Covent Garden- see NA 197 Samuel Isaacs 1843

Later records I hold show relationships between Moses/Raphael as per Michael Raphael son of Moses/Sarah
see 1841 Census (Copyright TNA HO107 740 5 10 25 5 12)
1 Stone Cutter Court St.Martins in the Fields
Moses RAPHAEL 60 Clothes salesman
Sarah 50
Phoebe 25
Jane 20
Michael 15
Clara 15
Elizabeth 13
Esther 12
All born in county

It is clear from the various records that the family relationships to Levy and Isaacs need unpicking and a careful analysis of the records is required to ensure that data is accurate and the right people identified.

Hi Phillip
I agree with your comment that the Levy/Isaacs family relationships need careful analysis. If Hannah Levy died 16 Feb 1843, then she obviously cannot be my ancestor Ann, although I feel that I must be in the right community. Looks like it may be a long slog.

[stevei]

Hi Steve,

I'm a descendant of Emma (Levy/Isaacs) Garcia - we were in touch years ago. Your recent findings are fascinating and seem very promising. I wondered whether there were any clues in the papers you've seen as to how Emma might fit into the family, given that she was said to be illegitimate? She seems to have been born too late to be the daughter of Ann (or Hannah), so I wonder if she was the illegitimate daughter of Simon Levy by another woman, while the other, older children were Ann's. Alternatively, I suppose she may have been the illegitimate daughter of Samuel Isaacs, although she used the name Levy at her marriage. I had previously assumed that Emma was Ann's daughter by Samuel Isaacs, born when her mother was still married to Mr Levy, but Ann's age does appear to rule this out. I'd be interested in any thoughts you have on this, though I suppose it's unlikely there will be surviving evidence to answer this particular question.

Best wishes,

Mark

Hi Mark
Unfortunately I haven't seen anything new regarding Emma Levy. But Phillip's information above concerning the death of Hannah, wife of Simon Levy, blows out of the water my idea that she might have been the mother of Isaac, Israel, Ann and Emma. But as I have said in my reply to Phillip, I feel that I am looking in the right community of people. Phillip has kindly provided a lot of information, which I have yet to process.

[phillip]

Hi Steve
If you look on the Jacobsfamily tree sources section of Simon Levy you can see the Death Certificate for Hannah in 1843 plus the letter of Administration for Simon Levy. In addition, look on Cemetery Scribes under Simon Levy ID 3927 and Hannah ID 3928 for their tombstone inscriptions.

Hannah can't be the same person as Ann Isaacs who died 1853 NA 1041 Synagogue Scribes.
However, I can't locate Ann's will on Ancestry.Co and this might have additional information.

You will note the data on Simon Levy in terms of his trade- the early sources have his trade as goldsmith/silversmith and then a Simon Levy shell dealer etc. They maybe one in the same but again worth checking.

I would map all the known data out and then look again at the Ann died 1853.

Do you and Mark have other records on the lines- I can't remember what we originally posted some years ago.

[phillip]

Hi Steve
A small reminder- it would be worth re-visiting the original posts Mark and myself made on the Isaacs-Levy-Garcia thread and my thread Benjamin Simons-Hannah Crawcour.

The data suggests that the various families such as the Jacobs/Capua/Crawcour/Garcia et al have common links through various marriages or friendships. I have not unpicked all the relationships and there are still paternal lines that I have no data on inspite of many years of research.

You might want to re-read the various posts again and chart out the relationships.

[phillip]

Hi Steve
In his original post on the thread Isaacs-Levy-Garcia-Mark made reference to the possible connection between Henry Russell the famous singer/composer and the Levy/Isaacs et al. I can't remember if I posted on his relationship to my Crawcour lines but I do have one. You can see the links on a thread I posted on Henry Russell and Hannah Cohen De Lara (the Cohen De Lara relate to my Crawcour lines- from memory I think I posted on other relationships).

I also have Isaacs/Crawcour lines but some of the data is limited.

On a separate topic Mark referred to the will of Ann Isaacs in 1853 but as I said I can't locate this will on Ancestry.Co- can any reader of the this thread identify where she is on Ancestry. Co Wills/Probate. I have tried name combinations etc but can't find her. Any help appreciated.

[mark_bridge]

Hi Phillip,

The only information I have is summarised in the first posts of this topic and Isaacs-Levy-Garcia. Ann's will is described here:

https://synagoguescribes.com/blog/je...ry/?value=1391

Here is the National Archives link - I think it can be accessed for free due to the lockdown. Oddly I can't find the will on Ancestry.

https://discovery.nationalarchives.g...tails/r/D30659

Thank you,

Mark