You're quite right. I'm really sorry if that sounds at all condescending because it's not meant to, at all - I just looked up Vincent Hughes on the Censuses and came up with Vincent Young Hughes, I didn't think of looking at the birth registers, but I see now that there is a Vincent Hughes born in Q4 1901 in Llandilofawr R.D. But you're also right to be wary and buy a certificate to make sure you have the right chap.
Right, scrub all the information about Vince Y Hughes; I messed up when looking at the 1911 Census. Here is 1901 Vincent (fingers crossed):
1911 census transcription details for: Gorswen Maesybont Llandebie
National Archive Reference: RG14PN32975 RG78PN1891 RD598 SD6 ED2 SN51
Reg. District: Llandilofawr
Sub District: Llandybie
Parish: Llanfihangel Aberbythych
Enum. District: 2
Address: Gorswen Maesybont Llandebie
County: Carmarthenshire
HUGHES, Mary - Head - Married - 49 - Working On Farm Dairywork - St Peters Carmarthen
HUGHES, Edwin R - Son - Single - 22 - Colliery's Shot Firer Underground - Llanddarog Carmarthenshire
HUGHES, Evan Tom - Son - Single - 17 - Colliery Labourer Underground - Llanddarog Carmarthenshire
HUGHES, Margaret A - Daughter - 12 - School - Llanfihangel Aberbyttich Carmarthenshire
HUGHES, Vincent - Son - 9 - School - Llanfihangel Aberbyttich Carmarthenshire
HUGHES, Henry - Son - 8 - Llanfihangel Aberbyttich Carmarthenshire
They are all bilingual.
Mary gives herself as married and Head of Household, although the Enumerator has underlined it, as if to question it, just as he or someone else has crossed out that she has been married 32 years, had 11 children living, of whom 5 have died.
I shall pursue the chase.
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11-09-2013, 9:26 AM #11pottokaGuest
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11-09-2013, 9:47 AM #12pottokaGuest
The family in 1901, plus Dad!
1901 census transcription details for: Gors Wen, Llanfihangel Aberbythych
National Archive Reference: RG13 ; Piece: 5107 ; Folio: 101 ; Page: 12
Reg. District: Llandilofawr
Sub District: Llandebie
Parish: Llanfihangel Aberbythych
Enum. District: 7
Ecclesiastical District: Llanfihangel Aberbythich
Address: Gors Wen, Llanfihangel Aberbythych
County: Carmarthenshire
HUGHES, Evan - Head - Married - 45 - Farmer - Llangunnor, Carmarthenshire
HUGHES, Mary - Wife - Married - 39 - Llangunnor, Carmarthenshire
HUGHES, William - Son - Single - 18 - Collier Assistant - Llangunnor, Carmarthenshire
HUGHES, Lizzie - Daughter - Single - 16 - Llangunnor, Carmarthenshire
HUGHES, John - Son - 15 - Collier's Assistant - Llangunnor, Carmarthenshire
HUGHES, Edwin R - Son - 12 - Llanddarog, Carmarthenshire
HUGHES, Evan T - Son - 8 - Llanddarog, Carmarthenshire
HUGHES, Maggie A - Daughter - 2 - Llanfighangel, Carmarthenshire
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11-09-2013, 9:54 AM #13pottokaGuest
1891 census transcription details for: Felinfach, Llwynhenry, Llanddarog, Gellyddu
National Archive Reference: RG12 ; Piece: 4514 ; Folio: 98 ; Page: 9
Reg. District: Carmarthen
Sub District: Llangendeirne
Parish: Llanddarog
Enum. District: 10
Ecclesiastical District: Llanddarog
Address: Felinfach, Llwynhenry, Llanddarog, Gellyddu
County: Carmarthenshire
HUGHES, Evan - Head - Married - 35 - Farmer - Llangunnor, Carmarthenshire
HUGHES, Mary - Wife - Married - 29 - Farmers Wife - St Peters, Carmarthenshire
HUGHES, William - Son - 8 - Scholar - Llangunnor, Carmarthenshire
HUGHES, Elizth - Daughter - 6 - Scholar - Llangunnor, Carmarthenshire
HUGHES, John - Son - 4 - Scholar - Llangunnor, Carmarthenshire
HUGHES, Edwin Rees - Son - 2 - Llanddarog, Carmarthenshire
FLOYD, William - Lodger - Single - 20 - Coal Miner - London
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11-09-2013, 10:00 AM #14pottokaGuest
1881 census transcription details for: Ffynonloew, Llangunnor
National Archive Reference: RG11 ; Piece: 5393 ; Folio: 28 ; Page: 3
Reg. District: Carmarthen
Sub District: Llangendeirne
Parish: Llangunnor
Address: Ffynonloew, Llangunnor
HUGHES, Evan - Head - Married - 25 - General Labourer - Llangunnor, Carmarthenshire, Wales
HUGHES, Mary - Wife - Married - 20 - St Peter, Carmarthenshire, Wales
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11-09-2013, 10:05 AM #15forestlea65Guest
Hi Pottoka
I'm grateful for all the hard work you have done, this looks like the right Vincent. The marriage certificate will confirm the name of the father, Ill let you know when I get it from GRO. Thanks again
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11-09-2013, 10:51 AM #16pottokaGuest
I can't find Evan Hughes on the 1911 Census, but I can't find a death record for him either, at least, not in Carmarthenshire.
He and Mary appear to have married in 1879, but you're getting into murkier waters here, as there are three men for two women, and both the women are called Mary! Mary Jones or Mary Williams ... It reminds me of when I found an ancestor called Mary Brown
For reference, as freebmd don't seem to throw it up, it's
Name: HUGHES, Evan
Registration district: Carmarthen
County: Carmarthenshire
Year of registration:1879
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Volume no: 11A
Page no: 1061
Well, that's according to one website, where a couple of the originals are really unclear; they're typed from when the ribbon went blodgy or needed changing or the key made holes in the page! Another site has clearer records and this one:
Name: HUGHES, Evan / REES, Mary
Registration district: Carmarthen
County: Carmarthenshire
Year of registration:1879
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Volume no: 11A
Page no: 1066
Given that the other woman's name is Margaret, and that Evan and Mary's son Edwin has Rees as a second name, I'd take a punt on this ... but you're not there yet!
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30-09-2013, 11:19 AM #17forestlea65Guest
Hi Pottoka
Just received the marriage certificate for Vincent Hughes and Jane Thomas. The marriage took place on the 6th September 1921 at Llandilofawr.
Vincent Hughes, age 21, bachelor,occupation coal miner (hewer), living at Gorswen Maesybont Llandebie. His father was Evan Hughes, a farmer.
Jane Thomas, age 30, spinster, living at Pant Coch,Llanfihangel Aberbythych . Father William Thomas (deceased) former coal miner.
Witnesses: Griffith Thomas and John Hughes.
This information confirms what you suggested, thanks for your hard work.
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