1841 Census Lancashire/Yorkshire

[valg]

Takes a while for things to click in my memory but when I was searching for Blackey in 1841 I put my best bet on the one living with the Hargreaves just recapped and realised I wrote previously that one of he witnesses at Blackey and Betty's wedding was a Hargreaves.. May have no bearing whatsoever on Thomas but just something to look at.

Looking at other weddings same time as Joseph and Alice and quite a few have the same witnesses so prob no association with Joseph and Alice at all..

[gorwyn]

Rachel Atkinson, the wife of Thomas Abbott, her father Thomas Atkinson married Ann Broughton so there is a connection but having said that, there are quite a number of Broughtons in the general area. This is the Thomas Broughton who was a tailor.
I am not sure if your "Elias" is a family member or not,I will have a look at that.

Thanks once again
Gorwyn

[valg]

Another coincidence
1861 census RG 9 Piece 3184 Folio 66 Page 36
Thomas, wife Rachel, children Blakey 8, Broughton 5 and Matilda 3. Rachel and children born Barnoldswick Lancashire.
Either in the same house or next door is an Elias Broughton, 24 stonemason born Barnoldswick which is approx. 5 miles from Colne.

In the 1861 census it is recorded as being in Yorkshire next to their names. Maps now have it in Lancashire.

This Elias is on 1841 census son of Richard 1806 and Jennett Broughton 1806 living Barnoldswick..maybe a relationship between Ann Broughton and Richard

[pippycat]

I don't know if this would be helpful or not:

1841 Lancs census: 509 f38 p10
Reed Row, Great Marsden

Blackey Hartley 1776 Winder/Weaver?
Betty Hargreaves 1811 Cotton 'something'
John Thos? Hargreaves 1816 Cotton 'something'
Nanney? Hargreaves 1833
Ellen Hargreaves 1839

All born Lancashire.

There are other Hargreaves close by and possibly Hartley's - but the writing is hard to decipher!

[pippycat]

I'm just wondering about this marriage of Thomas to Rachel Atkinson.

Both Genealogist and Freebmd have marriage for Rachel Atkinson with possible spouses:
Thomas Habbot
Thomas Hartley
John Pickles
Richard Widdup.
- No Thomas Abbot.

Valg got me to thinking about this when asking what the relationship between Thomas and the Hartley's could be.

Freebmd has a postem to the Habbot/Atkinson marriage:
Barnoldswick parish church.
Thomas Habbot 22 Tailor (father Blakey Hartley, Lab)
Rachel Atkinson 20 (father Thomas, Tailor)
witness: Broughton Atkinson and Richard Widdup. All signed.

Could it be possible your Thomas Abbot is not the same person as Thomas Habbot - or maybe I'm just way off beam!!

[geneius]

Trying to pick up on the posts made so sorry if I repeat!

Hunslett is south east of Leeds definitely Yorkshire!
https://www.
oldmapsonline.org/#bbox=-1.566153,53.781079,-1.503668,53.804909&q=&datefrom=1000&dateto=2010

It is Hebden Bridge / Todmorden / Hepponstall that could be either or Lancs / Yorks

I looked at Blakey HARTLEY quite interesting:
Marriages

to Martha HORSFIELD 1802

to Betty RIDEHALGH 24/07/1806 St Bartholmew Colne

to Betty BROWN 31/08/1822 St Bartholmew Colne

Baptisms
some desc as mother Betty others Elizabeth........( Betty being an alternative for Elizabeth)

Thomas 07/09/1823 Colne
Margaret 08/07/1829 Skipton St John
John 08/07/1827 Skipton St John
James 07/07/1833 Skipton
Alice 22/11/1835 Skipton
Grace 25/12/1838 Skipton
Elizabeth 30/05/1830 Skipton
Could be siblings / twins from same family OR children where the parents have been recorded as being Blakey & BETTY!! You can order the films from familysearch.org not sure if therte is a charge but maybe worth it, just cannot see on the site how you find ther resource centre nearest to you......

1841 Census H107 1306 6
Cold Edge Bottom
Halifax
HARTLEY BLAKEY aged 55 Farmer
HARTLEY Hannah 55

Baptism
11/06/1815 Jennett d/o Blakey & Hannah Barnoldswick
09/08/1818 John

I recall a Jennett in an earlier post

OLIVE I was looking at the 1851 census found a Olive ROTHWELL married to Abram with son William aged 7 months....unfortunately sharing a computer with the OH his need was greater than my last night!!!!!so didnot get any further.......

I also found a register showing Blakey HARTLEY of Church Street Colne & Windy Bank had the copyhold of 6, his will may be worth getting to see how his estate has been distributed cottages

Must away to the decorating know what I would prefer to do

[geneius]

#1

1841 Census Lancashire/Yorkshire

I am looking for Joseph and Alice Abbott with children Olive b1820 and Thomas b1829.
Thomas is living with Blakey Hartley in Colne on the 1851 census.
Any help would be appreciated.

#25

Could it be possible your Thomas Abbot is not the same person as Thomas Habbot - or maybe I'm just way off beam!!

maybe you could give us details of your immediate research leading to your request to looking for the 1841 census

[valg]

I'm just wondering about this marriage of Thomas to Rachel Atkinson.

Both Genealogist and Freebmd have marriage for Rachel Atkinson with possible spouses:
Thomas Habbot
Thomas Hartley
John Pickles
Richard Widdup.
- No Thomas Abbot.

Valg got me to thinking about this when asking what the relationship between Thomas and the Hartley's could be.

Freebmd has a postem to the Habbot/Atkinson marriage:
Barnoldswick parish church.
Thomas Habbot 22 Tailor (father Blakey Hartley, Lab)
Rachel Atkinson 20 (father Thomas, Tailor)
witness: Broughton Atkinson and Richard Widdup. All signed.

Could it be possible your Thomas Abbot is not the same person as Thomas Habbot - or maybe I'm just way off beam!!

Re my post #6 Family Search and Ancestry both have it transcribed as ABBOTT

[valg]

Trying to pick up on the posts made so sorry if I repeat!

Hunslett is south east of Leeds definitely Yorkshire!
https://www.
oldmapsonline.org/#bbox=-1.566153,53.781079,-1.503668,53.804909&q=&datefrom=1000&dateto=2010

It is Hebden Bridge / Todmorden / Hepponstall that could be either or Lancs / Yorks

I looked at Blakey HARTLEY quite interesting:
Marriages

to Martha HORSFIELD 1802

to Betty RIDEHALGH 24/07/1806 St Bartholmew Colne

to Betty BROWN 31/08/1822 St Bartholmew Colne

Baptisms
some desc as mother Betty others Elizabeth........( Betty being an alternative for Elizabeth)

Thomas 07/09/1823 Colne
Margaret 08/07/1829 Skipton St John
John 08/07/1827 Skipton St John
James 07/07/1833 Skipton
Alice 22/11/1835 Skipton
Grace 25/12/1838 Skipton
Elizabeth 30/05/1830 Skipton
Could be siblings / twins from same family OR children where the parents have been recorded as being Blakey & BETTY!! You can order the films from familysearch.org not sure if therte is a charge but maybe worth it, just cannot see on the site how you find ther resource centre nearest to you......

1841 Census H107 1306 6
Cold Edge Bottom
Halifax
HARTLEY BLAKEY aged 55 Farmer
HARTLEY Hannah 55

Baptism
11/06/1815 Jennett d/o Blakey & Hannah Barnoldswick
09/08/1818 John

I recall a Jennett in an earlier post

OLIVE I was looking at the 1851 census found a Olive ROTHWELL married to Abram with son William aged 7 months....unfortunately sharing a computer with the OH his need was greater than my last night!!!!!so didnot get any further.......

I also found a register showing Blakey HARTLEY of Church Street Colne & Windy Bank had the copyhold of 6, his will may be worth getting to see how his estate has been distributed cottages

Must away to the decorating know what I would prefer to do

This Olive was Olive Nuttall married Abraham Rothwell Manchester 1849

[christanel]

The wife of Thomas, Rachel Atkinson, has been described as a Tailor as was her Father, I tend to incline towards Thomas being the apprentice of Thomas Atkinson, possibly this is where he met Rachel.
Does anyone know if there is s list of apprentices for the period around 1843-1848?
Thanks again all for your efforts, I feel more confident now of getting a result eventually with your help.

Hi
The National Archives may be able to help re apprentices HERE

Christanel