1841 Census Lancashire/Yorkshire

[gorwyn]

I am looking for Joseph and Alice Abbott with children Olive b1820 and Thomas b1829.
Thomas is living with Blakey Hartley in Colne on the 1851 census.
Any help would be appreciated.
Gorwyn

[christanel]

As a starting point for those wanting to help this is Thomas in 1851
HO107 Piece 2254 Folio 383 Page 23
Windy Bank Colne
Blakey Hartley 65 rag dealer Colne
Betty Hartley 62 Colne
Thomas Abbott 22 single Tailor born Hepponstall Yorkshire

Plus
Thomas Abbot
Christened 31 Mar 1829
at Heptonstal and Crosstone, York, England
Father - Joseph Abbot
mother - Alice

Olive Abbott
Christened 9 Jan 1820
Burnley ,Lancashire
Father - Joseph Abbott
Mother - Alice

[christanel]

I know you probably have all this but I am trying to get some identifiers for Alice and Joseph. They may have died before the 1841 census.
Source Lancashire OPC
Marriage - 7 Feb 1819 St Peter, Burnley, Lancashire, England
Joseph Abbott - made his mark (X) Weaver, bachelor, of this Chapelry
Alice Riding - made her mark (X), spinster, of this Chapelry
Witnesses James Hey and James Hargreaves
Married by Banns by John Raws Assistant Curate

[gorwyn]

Thank you Christanel for your help.
They just seem to have disappeared as I can't find a death for either of them or what happened to Olive.
Gorwyn

[christanel]

The original image for Olive's christening has their home as Hunslett Fold in the Parish of Leeds, Yorkshire. So they took their daughter back to their home parish for her baptism.

Still trying to find something else on Joseph, Alice and Olive.

[valg]

As a starting point for those wanting to help this is Thomas in 1851
HO107 Piece 2254 Folio 383 Page 23
Windy Bank Colne
Blakey Hartley 65 rag dealer Colne
Betty Hartley 62 Colne
Thomas Abbott 22 single Tailor born Hepponstall Yorkshire

Plus
Thomas Abbot
Christened 31 Mar 1829
at Heptonstal and Crosstone, York, England
Father - Joseph Abbot
mother - Alice

Olive Abbott
Christened 9 Jan 1820
Burnley ,Lancashire
Father - Joseph Abbott
Mother - Alice

Hi Christanel

Interesting Looking at marriage details for this Thomas living with Blakey Hartley...
It was transcribed wrongly on Anc originally as Thomas Tibbert then corrected to Thomas Abbott.

Thomas Abbott married Rachel Atkinson 28 July 1851 at Barnoldswick York
Grooms father Blackey Hartley Brides father Thomas Atkinson.

The Betty and Blackey Hartley on census were wed in Colne Lancs 31 Aug 1822 Betty was Betty Brown.

So what is the relationship between Thomas and the Hartleys...Maybe they took him after the death of his parents..?But he wasnt using Hartley yet he names Blackey as his father?

On 1861 census Thomas has named one of his sons Blackey Hartley Abbott.

RG 9; Piece: 3184; Folio: 66; Page: 36 Barnoldswick Yorkshire.

[christanel]

Hi valg
thank you for your help with this. I wasn't able to get back to it before now but will take another look a little later. You could be right about the adoption but I think I looked at the Hartley's in 1841 and Thomas wasn't with them? I'll have to check on that.

Christanel

[valg]

Hi Christanel

Interesting Looking at marriage details for this Thomas living with Blakey Hartley...
It was transcribed wrongly on Anc originally as Thomas Tibbert then corrected to Thomas Abbott.

Thomas Abbott married Rachel Atkinson 28 July 1851 at Barnoldswick York
Grooms father Blackey Hartley Brides father Thomas Atkinson.

The Betty and Blackey Hartley on census were wed in Colne Lancs 31 Aug 1822 Betty was Betty Brown.

So what is the relationship between Thomas and the Hartleys...Maybe they took him after the death of his parents..?But he wasnt using Hartley yet he names Blackey as his father?

On 1861 census Thomas has named one of his sons Blackey Hartley Abbott.

RG 9; Piece: 3184; Folio: 66; Page: 36 Barnoldswick Yorkshire.

Olive is elusive!

There is one burial on FS for a ? Abbott..no sex listed..no age listed..11 August 1823 Blackburn

Maybe someone has access to original?

[valg]

Hi valg
thank you for your help with this. I wasn't able to get back to it before now but will take another look a little later. You could be right about the adoption but I think I looked at the Hartley's in 1841 and Thomas wasn't with them? I'll have to check on that.

Christanel

Yes you are right..he doesnt appear to be with them in 1841 although I am having a little trouble sorting out the Blackey Hartleys in 1841..who would have thought there would be more than one with that name! The one I looked at had the Hargreaves living with him..cant seem to find one with him and Betty together.It is annoying me that he would name Blackey as his father...why ???? If they adopted him it would be usual for him to be listed on census as Hartley maybe he just concidered him as the only father he had known and so hense the marriage entry..

There is a burial for a Joseph Abbott aged 0 in Blackburn 25 May 1830...cant find a baptism to match..could this have been another child for Joseph and Alice? Could Alice have died in childbirth??
Looking at OPC but no parents listed for this Joseph he was 6 mths old..Buried St Mary the Virgin Blackburn.

[valg]

Looking at burial records for Colne/Blackburn/Burnley.

The cemeteries at Colne and Blackburn didnt open until later so if there are burials think they would be St Peter Burnley records held by Lancashire record office. Think maybe contacting them may be an idea worth concidering.

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