jutsum/ de irujo

[frederickay]

i am researching Lavinia De yrujo daughter of Count don carlos de irujo,
she was born in 1794 to carlos and sarah . she was born in the St Lukes parish area in Marylebone and lived at 6 Blizard pl . Chelsea from 1815 to 1866.
Lavinia had two daughters fredericka and frances illegitermately to Major Charles Jones . Father of Ernest Jones the chartist and poet.
i am looking in particular for lavinia s burial. i know she died 2 nd . Oct. 1866 while living at 123 Fulham rd.
her daughter Fredericka ,my ggggrandmother married Frederick Ralph Caleb JUTSUM in 1837 . again in St Lukes.
they moved to Battersea and Bermondsey . lost the family fortune and became members of the S.d.f.
is there anyone that can help me with the burial place of these two women . thank you. frederickay.

[Colin Moretti]

Burials in London are very difficult, in the 19th C some were not even in London (eg, at Brookwood, near Woking, in Surrey). The best think I can do is to refer you to Greater London Cemeteries and Crematoria, published by SoG, ISBN 1085951 704 8.

Were they Catholic? The Catholic FHS has transcribed a number of burial registers of Catholic Churches, eg Most Holy Trinity, Dockhead, Bermondsey, they are available at SoG. There are some in the NBI also. I think that there might be a Catholic cemetery in the Fulham area too, although I can't find details at the moment. Let me know if you would like me to follow this one up.

Good luck

Colin

[Peter Goodey]

"i am looking in particular for lavinia s burial. i know she died 2 nd . Oct. 1866 while living at 123 Fulham rd."

Have you tried Brompton Cemetery?

"her daughter Fredericka ,my ggggrandmother married Frederick Ralph Caleb JUTSUM in 1837 . again in St Lukes. they moved to Battersea and Bermondsey"

I assume you mean Frederica Lavinia who died in 1893 aged 76. As they were a family of radical opinions, I'd check municipal and private cemeteries in the vicinity of her place of death. Not much point wasting time with church records. Presumably you have her death certificate.

It sounds to be an interesting family. Have you any more to tell us? Were they leading figures in the SDF?

[Colin Moretti]

...........became members of the S.d.f.

Excuse my ignorance, what's the SDF?

Colin

[mervyn.britton]

Puzzled by SDF; I "googled" to find this.
https://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/TUhyndman.htm

Cheers Mervyn





<quote>Hyndman now decided to form Britain's first socialist political party. The Social Democratic Federation (SDF) had its first meeting on 7th June, 1881. Many socialists refused to join the SDF because they were highly suspicious of a wealthy man funding a radical political party. They were also aware that in the past Hyndman had been opposed to socialist ideas such as universal suffrage. Hyndman persuaded some socialists that he had genuinely changed his views, and those who eventually joined the SDF included William Morris, Ernest Bax, Henry Hyde Champion, John Burns, Ben Tillett,

[Peter Goodey]

The SDF suffered numerous splits and defections, not least because Hyndman was a bit barmy.

They later participated in the decision to form the Labour Representation Committee, the forerunner of the Labour Party. Hyndman disaffiliated from the Labour Party when his views failed to attract much support. Many SDF members decided to stay with Labour. The party - now called the British Socialist Party - split again as a result of Hyndman's support for the Great War. The anti-war faction went on to be founding members of the Communist Party.

[kate T]

:-)
Hi, hope you dont mind me emailing you.
where do i start.............

well today my aunty emailed me with some information as we're researching our family tree. she'd heard from a lady called Jan who i'm not personally intouch with.
but I got an email that reads like this............
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(hi Pauline,
have you caught up with all the Jutsum news. we have a very colourful background which includes Spanish counts de yrujo/irujo. artist Fuseli drawing of our gggrandmother Lavinia de irujo and Ernest Jones the poet and chartist. has Linda kept you informed and do you have a current family tree. hope so. I met another Jutsum last week. he was travelling new Zealand. his mother has done some history so will get back to us. we all shared the same GG Grandfather George Caleb JUTSUM.battersea and
Bermondsey
get back to me if you haven't heard from Linda. Jan)

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well since i heard I'm perhaps related too all these fab people I've been searching for hours.
I have just found your message on this site ! so you can imagen I had to email you.
I'm not sure if your connected in anyway too that lady that wrote that email. or maybe your so one else trying too find this information too.

Anyway My grandad was William Jutsum so thats where I get the Jutsum connection and Lavinia would be a distant grandmother.
I knew nothing of this family 24 hours ago lol. but i've searched hard wow they have some amazing connections. I so hope we are related to them.

My mum always thought we might be famous

hope too hear back from you.

did you no there are 7 paintings of lavinia by a very famous artist.seems too be presidents, writters all sorts connected with this.
email me back.

with kind regards Kate Taylor (perhaps a relation of yours

[frederickay]

hi ,i have found that i am related to kate,further down the board.
and yes i tried east finchley ,brompton when i was looking for Lavinias grave..2nd Oct. 1866
she may have been catholic as her father was spanish . count de irujo. all her life tho she was affliated to St.Lukes.her daughter was married in the st.lukes.Lavinia left 400 pounds in her will to be divided between Fredricka Jutsum and her sister Frances Clifton . also the leasehold of 123 Fulham rd. fredericka had no money of her own and frances was in Shanghai. i dearly want to find Lavinias grave.
her daughter Fredericka was a staunch chartist. Fredericka's half brother was ernest jones the famous poet and chartist.
fredericka son George caleb Jutsum was the librairian of the Bermondsey branch of the S.D.f. his obit . is in the 2nd .march "justice " paper.i am happy to share any info. thanks

[frederickay]

"i am looking in particular for lavinia s burial. i know she died 2 nd . Oct. 1866 while living at 123 Fulham rd."

Have you tried Brompton Cemetery?

"her daughter Fredericka ,my ggggrandmother married Frederick Ralph Caleb JUTSUM in 1837 . again in St Lukes. they moved to Battersea and Bermondsey"

I assume you mean Frederica Lavinia who died in 1893 aged 76. As they were a family of radical opinions, I'd check municipal and private cemeteries in the vicinity of her place of death. Not much point wasting time with church records. Presumably you have her death certificate.

It sounds to be an interesting family. Have you any more to tell us? Were they leading figures in the SDF?

hi ,the family was one of scandal and intrigue. lavinias father was Carlos de irujo who married sally mckean . she was the daughter od thomas mckean . thomas signed the deleracation of independence. the spanish lineage is still noble to this day and have been political powers that be for two centruies tho i dont know so much now. irujo and his wife were the owners of the spanish quarter in Philadelphia ?. she was personal friends with dolley madison tho i think the count got kicked out of America for doing wrong and upsetting things . he was a big player in the Louisana purchase.
my whole side of the family was illergitemate . lavinia . born 1794 .bap. at st Lukes . to carlos and sarah . then Lavinia had two ill. daughters to Major charles Jones.
i have to say it all has the connations of a Jackie Collins novel.
i have never been able to confirm the count died in a duel in madrid in 1824 . someone out there may know . thanks . frederickay.

[Peter Goodey]

From The Times, Monday, Nov 1, 1847:

MADRID, Oct 24.
"Having thought proper to relieve Don Ramon Maria Narvaez, Duke of Valencia, from the post of Minister of State [Foreign Affairs], and considering the circumstances which distinguish Don Carlos Martinez de Irujo, Duke of Sotomayor, I name him, in place of the former, to the same office.
Given at the Palace this 23rd of October. 1847.
(signed by the Royal hand)
(Countersigned) The Duke of Valencia, President of the Council of Ministers."

Same guy or a different one?