Birth registratrion:I should have twigged to Pooley/Poley as being Napolean, he was right in front me all this time.
Poley WATERFIELD q4 1882 Mitford Norfolk 4b 283
Could be shown on 1911 as Holy
died 1959 Wisbech
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27-11-2011, 10:55 PM #21
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I think that could well be him in the 1911 census. Looking at the image the first letter of his name definitely looks like an H. It looks like he did not sign the form but made his mark, indicating he may have been unable to read/write. Good find.
It appears that the names Poley and Napolean were used interchangeably. One possible baptism for Poley’s son from Family Search...
name: Napoleon Waterfield
baptism/christening date: 27 Oct 1901
baptism/christening place: Reepham, Norfolk, England
father's name: Napoleon Waterfield
mother's name: Elizabeth Waterfield
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28-11-2011, 12:33 AM #23
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Witesses: Job Harris BRINKLEY, Maria Alice BRINKLEY
Job Harris BRINKLEY b 1863 Ely Cambs
Married Maria Alice MARTIN 1884 Mitford 4B 482
1881 West Rudham Norfolk travelling Van
RG 11 1992 133 18
Camped together
BRINKLEY Sidney 67 b 1814 Wellen Hertfordshire -Norfolk travellers
BRINKLEY Mariah. 67 b 1814 Cambridgeshire
BRINKLEY Job 18 b 1863 Cambridgeshire -hawker
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GRAY William Gray 41 b 1840 Norfolk hawker
GRAY Slyvesta. 30 b 1851 Cambridgeshire -wife
GRAY Beatrice .12 b 1869 Norfolk
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BRINKLEY Johnathan 40 b 1841 Hawker Cambridgeshire
BRINKLEY Elizabeth 36 b 1845 Suffolk
BRINKLEY Ambrose 18 b 1863 Suffolk
BRINKLEY Mary Ann 15 b 1866 Suffolk
BRINKLEY John 11 b 1870 Cambridgeshire
BRINKLEY Reshova 7 b 1874 Norfolk
BRINKLEY William 3 b 1878 Norfolk
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1871 Mileham Norfolk
RG 10 1848 146 25
Read Lane ‘Persons in Tent’
Camped together
SMITH Isaiah 49 Brazier Gloomfield Essex
SMITH Emalia 46 Wickham Suffolk
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BRINKLEY Sidney 57 Brazier ‘Welling’ Welwyn Herts
BRINKLEY Maud 57 Lillingotn Cambs
BRINKLEY Job 31 m Cambs
BRINKLEY Elizabeth 29 Cambs
BRINKLEY Mirial 26 D in Law Cambs
BRINKLEY Johanathan 28 Brazier Staffs Bilston
BRINKLEY Lydia 27 D in Law Cambs
BRINKLEY Ambrose 8 Wootton Norfolk
BRINKLEY Mary Ann 6 Lynn Norfolk
BRINKLEY Jonathan 1 y 3 m Pembye Cambs
BRINKLEY William 20 Brazier St James Lincs
BRINKLEY Sidney 18 Harpley Norfolk
BRINKLEY Ruben 16 Dullingham Cambs
BRINKLEY Enna 13 Perran Wood Cambs
BRINKLEY Job 7 Addington Cambs
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GRAY Allis head 1851 widow tinswoman Norwich Norfolk
GRAY Mary A 1861 dau Knapton Norfolk
GRAY William 1850 son Ipsish Essex
GRAY Mary Ann 1867 dau Molston Kent
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SOUTH Sharlot 1829 widow tinswoman Dirkelboro Norfolk
BIRT Sharlet dau widow 1847 tiswoman Corringham Norfolk
BIRT Aruther son 1865 Bukells Suffolk
BIRT Angelina dau 1867 Bradley
BIRT Walter son 1 St Sasbury Essex
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ORSBORN Datiel 1836 Belt Bottle Bucks
ORSBORN Susan 1841 Letham Cambs
ORSBORN Samuel 1865 Norwich Norolk
ORSBORN George 1867 Addington Kent
ORSBORN Alfred 1871 3m Oilscan Norfolk
ORSBORN Persham 10m Norfolk
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Matilda GRAY could be the daughter of Sam(p)son & Caroline GRAY
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28-11-2011, 1:30 AM #24
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Looks like a good trail geneius. My Joseph WATERFIELD trail is not leading anywhere much yet. This is where I am with him.
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I won't post all the census details for Joseph WATERFIELD and Margaret from 1881 onwards. Suffice it to say that Joseph and Margaret were recorded as being born...
Joseph
1881: abt 1828 Tittleshall, Norfolk
1891: abt 1832 Tittleshall, Norfolk
1901: abt 1831 Tivetshall, Norfolk
Margaret
1881: abt 1842 Stoke, Norfolk
1891: abt 1846 Stoke Ferry, Norfolk
1901: abt 1848 Stoke Ferry, Norfolk
1911: abt 1844 Stoke Ferry, Norfolk
(There is a baptism for Margaret GRAY, 14 Mar 1844 at Stoke Ferry, parents Robert and Sarah)
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This could be Joseph in the 1861 census.
1861: Piece: 1244; Folio: 76; Page: 32
In a van, Fair Field, Fairstead, North Elmham, Norfolk
WATERFIELD, Joseph, head, married, 26, tinman, N K
WATERFIELD, Mary Ann, wife, married, 27, N K
WATERFIELD, James, son, 5, N K
Note: I've checked for any other WATERFIELDs camping out on the same field
Joseph with Margaret and children in the 1871 census...
1871: Piece: 1849; Folio: 78; Page: 32
At The Fair In Vans Tents & C, North Elmham, Norfolk
WATERFIELD, William, head, married, 20, traveller, Dereham Norfolk
BAGSHAW, William 26, traveller, Marlingford Norfolk
BAGSHAW, ---, 22, traveller, Marlingford Norfolk
WATERFIELD, Ann 20, traveller, Eye Suffolk
WATERFIELD, Margrett, married, 2?, traveller, do
WATERFIELD, John, 14
WATERFIELD, Joseph, 11
WATERFIELD, James, 6
WATERFIELD, Walter, 5
WATERFIELD, Ambrose, 4
WATERFIELD, William, 2
WATERFIELD, Joseph, 34
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WATERFIELD, Thomas, head, 4?, Wells Norfolk
WATERFIELD, Ann, wife, 39, Luton Bedfordshire
Note: The birth place is 'do' for everyone from Margett to Joseph suggesting Eye in Suffolk. However, this is very likely a mistake on the form.
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I've included the details for Thomas WATERFIELD in the 1871 census as he is in the next household to Joseph and may be related. Since Joseph WATERFIELD just does not want to be found in the 1841/1851 census I've been trailing Thomas in the hope that he leads us somewhere positive. There is also the head William WATERFIELD to try and trace back.
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29-11-2011, 8:51 PM #25RicoGuest
[QUOTE]William Gray
b. 10 December 1839 - Stoke Ferry, Norfolk, England
christened 1 May 1842 - Stoke Ferry, Norfolk, England
married
Sylvester (Thorpe) Gray
b. 1851 - Burrell, Cambridge, England
daugthter
Beatrice Gray
b. 1851 Norfolk, England
William Gray is the sister of Margaret Gray b. 1842 who married Joseph Waterfield b. 1838. William & Margaret being children of Robert Gray b. 1799 & Sarah Harris b. circa 1804.
Matilda GRAY could be the daughter of Sam(p)son & Caroline GRAY
Sampson Gray b. circa 1830 - Cambridgeshire, England who married Caroline ? They also had a daughter Caroline Gray b. 1852 - Lynn, Cambridgeshire, England, who around 1872 married Israel (Thorpe) Gray b. 1852 - Cottenham, Cambridge, England. Israel being the son of Meshack Gray b. 1814 - Tadlow, Cambridge, England, & Sarah Harris b. circa 1814 - Haydon, Essex, England. Meshak Gray being the grandson of Foundness (Founous/Fowk) Grayb. circa 1737 & died 1828 St Giles, Cambridge, England.
Again the surname 'Harris' pops up.
Rico
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11-03-2012, 5:59 PM #26Lesley DayGuest
Susan Gray d/o Israel and Maria Gray is my 3 x Gt Grandmother bon in Cambridgeshire in 1834. She married Daniel Osborn aka Lamb. Their daughter Patience Osborn "married" John Harris, son of Trinity Mayhew Harris and Mary Ann Wray. Trinity's sister Maria "married" Sydney Brinkley born 1814 Welwyn Hertfordshire and had 11 children around Norfolk.
Charles Gray son of Henry and Lavinia Loveridge are also connected to me. Charles Gray - Beatrice Lamb had ten children around mid Norfolk. Russel Gray born 1920 married my Grandmother's sister Ethel Wray.
The families interconnect with the Pooley's and Brinkley's as you can imagine.
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12-03-2012, 8:21 AM #27Lesley DayGuest
Matilda Gray married Richard Sellers 24 December 1879 at St John's, Kings Lynn her parents were Sampson and Caroline Gray (they died in 1909 in Kings Lynn.
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12-03-2012, 8:28 AM #28Lesley DayGuest
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13-03-2012, 8:38 AM #29RicoGuest
Hi Lesley,
Your information adds some extra players to the Gray family jigsaw & some extra weight to some .....questionable persons/relationships.
Do you have any clues as to Caroline Grays father, Sampson Gray, as to who his parents may be ?
I believe Israels parents are
Meshack Gray (b. 1814,Tadlow, Cambridge, England - ?) & Sarah Harris (b. abt 1813, Haydon, Essex, England - ?). I have yet to find Sarah's parents but the Harris family as you would well know interweaves with the Grays through the generations.
Meshacks parents I believe are
William Gray (1776 - 12 May 1844, St Giles, Cambridge, England) who married 9 Aug 1792, Isleham, Cambridge, England, Henrietta (Retty) Gray (b. 1778 -24 Aug 1837, St Giles, Cambridge, England)
Retty Gray's parents being Foundness (Founous/Fowk) Gray c, 1778 - 1828 & Mary ? I presume this would tally with your findings ?
Is Beatrice Lamb somehow related to Daniel Osborn, Aka Lamb ?
Of late I have also been coming across different members of the Wray family who are alos weaving their way amongst the Gray & associated families.
I'm quite interested in Russel Gray & his wife Ethel Wray, your grandmothers sister. Starting with Russel I can go back seven generations of his ancestors. Actually, all that you have supplied is has been of interest to me as your ancestral background one way or another flirts or touches base with mine over & over. Russel Gray for example actually is a blood relation of mine albeit it distantly.
Sadly time today has runout for me Lesley, I thank you for your most interesting input which actually raises many questions you may be able to help me out with or we could arrange to exchange to family information if you wish ?
As our ancestors would have said when signing off
Latcho drom (safe journey)
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13-03-2012, 9:45 AM #30Lesley DayGuest
Hi Rico
Please send me a private message with your email address so I can send you information about all the Traveller families I have.
I dont mind helping you at all seeing as though I am here in the UK. Also there are many questions regarding all Gray's, Wrays, Lambs, Osborne etc!!!!!! It took me 13 years to find out about my Gt Grandfather Saunders Wray who used the name John but they used to call him Duke. His baptism record shows that he was baptised Saunders Lamb! He had 9 siblings in total but two died as infants in 1908 in Grimstone. His parents Trinity Mayhew Harris (who I think is either John Harris s/o of Aaron & Elizabeth and they had Esther 1812, Maria 1814 and George born c 1822 in Litlington, Cambs). They are such a hard bunch to follow these Harris/Grays etc.
Esther, no info on her
Maria = Sidney Brinkley
John (Trinity Mayhew Harris) = Mary Ann Wray born 1834 Boston, Lincolnshire or Cambridgeshire she died in a van on Litcham Common as it went on fire on 22 April 1883. Trinity is buried somewhere in Lyng Parish Church, Norfolk and died 1 Jul 1885. They had seven children:
John William Harris 10 Apr 1854 East Dereham - dont know what happened to him after 1861
George Harris 1856 = Hannah Melton of Whissonsett. He died in Whissonsett in 1896, they had 9 children and living descendants in the area.
John Harris 5 Mar 1859 at Watton, Nfk my 2 x Gt Grandfather = Patience Osborn 1 Apr 1861 Ber St Norwich d/o Daniel Osborn & Susan Gray d/o Israel. They had 10 children:
Daniel Lamb aka Ray 13 May 1883 North Walsham died 1945 East Dereham no marriage?
Golia aka Delia Lamb/Harris 30 Nov 1884 Aylsham = Herbert James Drake of Norwich - three children
Saunders Lamb aka Sidney "Duke" John Wray 5 Dec 1886 Briston, Nfk = Rose Ellen Elliott of Mattishall Burgh (non Romany) - My Gt Grandparents - had 10 children:
Kathleen Rose Elliott 1917 = John Samuel Halsey
Ethel F Wray born 1920 and still alive in East Dereham = Russell Gray 1920 Swaffham died Aug 1993 East Dereham three girls
Patience Maud Wray 1921 East Dereham my Nanna = Reginald Charles Freezer of Scarning, East Derham
Winifred Mabel Wray 1923 East Dereham
Sidney John Wray 1924 to 1991 East Dereham = Elsie Mary Millican of Gt Yarmouth 1927-1975 - children David John Wray 1967 E.D.
Oswald Herbert Wray 1927 - 1994 East Dereham = Margaret Fitt 1916-1972 three children Brenda, Christine & Phillip
Kenneth Brian Wray 1930-2006 East Dereham = Jessie Smith of North Elmham no children
Leslie William Wray 1932 - 1972 East Dereham
Linda Rose Wray 1934 East Dereham - 2009 Adelaide, Australia = Martin David Whitney of Gloucester - two children Terence & Glenda living in Adelaide area.
Douglas Wray born and died in 1935 in East Dereham
Non of Duke's children were travellers apart from Ethel marrying into Russell Gray's line. They had a Vardo in the garden when I was a little girl in the 1960's when they lived in Scarning.
That's all for now, too much to put down - please send email address.
Best regards
Lesley
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