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    There are also further details on FreeREG of the 1890 marriage of Henry GRAY to Lavinia. It seems I should have checked there first.

    Marriage on 15 Sep 1890 at All Saints Sharrington, Norfolk.
    Henry GRAY, 38, widower, hawker, abode Sharrington, father Robert GRAY, hawker
    Lavinia LOVERIDGE, 31, spinster, abode Sharrington, father Hookey LOVERIDGE, hawker
    Witesses: Job Harris BRINKLEY, Maria Alice BRINKLEY

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    Hi Olliecat,

    Yes, Henry's 1st wife Sarah was younger than Henry which fits (albeit by different gaps). Strange enough I remember several times in the past stumbling across a Walter Waterfield Ward in some of my prior research but I couldn't stitch him him anywhere.

    Olliecat you have come across a James Ward as Sarah's father, remember that Pooley Waterfield had a brother named Walter Waterfield.

    Regarding Pooley Waterfield, he had two siblings in Walter Waterfield b. 1857 b. Lynn, Norfolk, England, & Trienna Waterfiled b. 1863 Easton, Norfolk, England. His mother was Amy Waterfield b. 1817 Tuddenham, Norfolk, England, no husband found as yet.

    Just trying to find a common thread with Henry's Sarah's children which were mainly born in Aylsham, &/or Bintree/Bintry Norfolk, where I can find reference for such. Henry, Lavina, Thomas, & Adolphus appear to be constant names popping up for children of Henry & Sarah Gray though their birth years & order of birth vary from census to census as you are well aware of Olliecat. These dates are sure all over the place & causing great confusion in making headway.

    Job Waterfield's father Joseph Waterfield (Margaret Gray's husband) may well be an uncle to Pooley Waterfield at a guess but I have yet to find Joseph's Parents.

    I much appreciate your beagling around & assistance Olliecat as frustrating as it may be to us both.

    Regards
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    I've been on the hunt for Lavinia. The problem is her birth place is Bedford in one census, Bradford in another (I suspect this could have been a mistake for Bedford) and possible Cambridge in the 1911 census. Another problem is estimating her birth date from the later census. Here is one possibility but I'm not convinced yet.

    1871: Piece: 1545 Folio: 76 Page: 25
    Pork Lane, Cople, Bedfordshire
    GREY, Montague, head, unmarried, 37, gipsies, Hertfordshire
    LOVERIDGE, Elizabeth, as wife, unmarried, 38, Not Known
    LOVERIDGE, Alfred, son, 20 Bedford
    LOVERIDGE, Lavinia, dua, 18, Bedford
    LOVERIDGE, Spiers, son, 16, Not Known
    LOVERIDGE, Charles, son, 14, Not Known
    LOVERIDGE, Moses, son, 12, Peterboro
    LOVERIDGE, Absalom, son, 10, Peterboro
    LOVERIDGE, Stephen, son, 8, Budgen
    LOVERIDGE, Jurania, dua, 6, Bedford
    LOVERIDGE, Rosanna, dua, 4, Kaiston

    Need to look further for her. After some shut-eye.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rico View Post
    Regarding Pooley Waterfield, he had two siblings in Walter Waterfield b. 1857 b. Lynn, Norfolk, England, & Trienna Waterfiled b. 1863 Easton, Norfolk, England. His mother was Amy Waterfield b. 1817 Tuddenham, Norfolk, England, no husband found as yet.
    Before heading off for some sleep - if this is Pooley WATERFIELD in the 1881 census with spouse Lavinia, mum Amy and brother Walter...

    1881: Piece: 1931 Folio: 25 Page: 43
    Caravans On Ling Common, Coltishall
    WATERFIELD, Pooley, head, 26, travelling tinman, Little Cressingham Norfolk
    WATERFIELD, Lavinia, wife, 24, Bradford Yorkshire
    WATERFIELD, Amy, mother, widow, 64 Tuddenham Norfolk
    WATERFIELD, Walter, brother, 24, travelling tinman, Lynn Norfolk
    WATERFIELD, Trienna, niece, 18, Easton Norfolk

    Perhaps this is Pooley WATERFIELD in the 1861 census going under the name Napolean. It just occurred to me that Poley/Pooley could be a logical nickname for Napolean. If so his mum is Amy/Emma and his father William.

    1861: Piece: 1237; Folio: 149; Page: 23
    In A Caraven, White Horse Street, Shropham, Norfolk
    WATERFIELD, William, head, 40, travelling tin plate worker, Warboys Cambridgeshire
    WATERFIELD, Amy, wife, 42, Elsing Norfolk
    WATERFIELD, John 21, son, Tuddenham Norfolk
    WATERFIELD, William 17, son, Ringland Norfolk
    WATERFIELD, Charlotte 13, dau, Rockland St Peter Norfolk
    WATERFIELD, Maria 10, dau, East Dereham Norfolk
    WATERFIELD, Napolean 9, son, Little Cressingham Norfolk
    WATERFIELD, Walter 6, son, Lynn Norfolk
    WATERFIELD, Trianna 2, dau, Bale Norfolk

    1871: RG10; Piece: 1848; Folio: 130; Page: 21
    Fakenham Road Caravan, Tittleshall Cum Godwich, Norfolk
    WATERFIELD, William, head, 50, travelling tinman, Meeple Cambridgeshire
    WATERFIELD, Emma, wife, 51, Cressingham Norfolk
    WATERFIELD, Napoleon, son, 17, travelling tinmans son, L. Cressingham Norfolk
    WATERFIELD, Walter, son, 15, Kings Lynn Norfolk
    WATERFIELD, Tryanna, granddau, 7, Easton Norfolk

    (census crown copyright, care of the TNA)

    I'm sure there will be lots more to find on the morrow.

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    I see olliecat has done sterling work on your main query about Lavinia Waterfield's parentage.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rico View Post
    Another family connection between the Gray & Waterfield families is through Joseph Waterfield & Margaret Grays son Job Waterfield, b. 1881 in Shereford, Norfolk, England.

    Job Waterfield married 7th May 1902 in Swainsthorpe, Norfolk, England, a Susannah Ellen Sellers, b. 1882 Front Row HIghgate, Kings Lynn, Norfolkshire, England.

    Suannah Sellers parents were Richard Sellers & Matilda Gray of whom I have no further information.
    Is this the right family in 1881?

    7 Long Row, Kings Lynn St Margaret
    Richard Sellars, head, m., 22, hawker, born Colchester, Essex
    Matilda Sellars, wife, m., 23, b. Lincoln, Lincoln[shire]
    Richard Sellars, son, 4 mo., b. Kings Lynn, Norfolk

    RG 11/1997, f.84, p.2
    (from transcript on FamilySearch)

    A Richard Sellers married in the Kings Lynn district in the last quarter of 1879. There's a Matilda Gray on the same page. The marriage certificate would be good place to start in your quest for more about their backgrounds.

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    Hello
    As a late comer to this thread, and reference your comment at #13, an alternative!

    1871 RG 10 1545 75 24
    Park Lane Copley Beds

    LOVERIDGEWilliam 18
    LOVERIDGE Maria 16
    LOVERIDGE Goliath 14
    LOVERIDGE Lovinia 12

    no other information other than descirbed as gypsies

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    1901: RG13; Piece: 1830; Folio: 32; Page: 26.
    2 Caravans, Cawston Road, Aylsham, Norfolk
    GRAY, Henry 59, head, Horse Dealer (Travelling), East Winch Norfolk
    GRAY, Lavina 40, wife, Bedford
    GRAY, Lavina 22, dau
    GRAY, Thomas 18, son
    GRAY, Fanny H 9, dau
    GRAY, Charles 7, son
    GRAY, Ralph 3, son
    GRAY, Job 1, grandson
    WATERFIELD, Pooley 20, son in law
    WATERFIELD, WATERFIELD, Roddy 18, step son
    Sissy 15, step dau
    WATERFIELD, Lettie 14, step dau
    I think you will find that

    1) GRAY, Lavina 22, dau: GRAY, Thomas 18, son are children of the marriage Henry GRAY to Sarah

    2) GRAY, Fanny H 9, dau :GRAY, Charles 7, son :GRAY, Ralph 3, son are from the marriage of Henry GRAY to Lavinia LOVERIDGE

    3) WATERFIELD, Roddy ( Rodney) 18, step son : WATERFIELD, Sissy ( Silvester) 15, step dau: WATERFIELD, Lettie ( Letitia) 14, step dau
    are children who regard Lavinia as their stepmother but who have no connection either blood or via marriage to their father.

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    Naploeon WATERFIELD aged 35 q3 1889 Erpingham Norfolk 4b 49

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    Yes I agree with Coromandel, Olliecat has done sterling work with this research, many thanks again Olliecat, 'Good on ya mate'.

    I still find it extremely frustrating when researching the older bygone Roma folk as far as their disregard for detail & accuracy when providing names, ages, dates & locations etc.. If this was non Roma folk we were researching one would probably at least put such info' on the backburner if not disregard such information & look elsewhere.

    Yes, I agree Olliecat, this certainly seems like Pooley/PoleyNapolean Waterfields family that you found.

    Perhaps this is Pooley WATERFIELD in the 1861 census going under the name Napolean. It just occurred to me that Poley/Pooley could be a logical nickname for Napolean. If so his mum is Amy/Emma and his father William.

    1861: Piece: 1237; Folio: 149; Page: 23
    In A Caraven, White Horse Street, Shropham, Norfolk
    WATERFIELD, William, head, 40, travelling tin plate worker, Warboys Cambridgeshire
    WATERFIELD, Amy, wife, 42, Elsing Norfolk
    WATERFIELD, John 21, son, Tuddenham Norfolk
    WATERFIELD, William 17, son, Ringland Norfolk
    WATERFIELD, Charlotte 13, dau, Rockland St Peter Norfolk
    WATERFIELD, Maria 10, dau, East Dereham Norfolk
    WATERFIELD, Napolean 9, son, Little Cressingham Norfolk
    WATERFIELD, Walter 6, son, Lynn Norfolk
    WATERFIELD, Trianna 2, dau, Bale Norfolk


    I should have twigged to Pooley/Poley as being Napolean, he was right in front me all this time.

    His death would very nicely match with Geneius's find of Naploeon WATERFIELD aged 35 q3 1889 Erpingham Norfolk 4b 49
    as Levinia/Lavina married Henry Gray the following year in 15 Sep' 1890.

    The next logical question is how William Waterfield father of Pooley/Napolean's b. c. 1855 , is related to Joseph Waterfield b. 1838 Tittleshall Cum-Godwick, Norfolk, England, husband of Margaret Gray & father of Job Waterfield b. 17 Oct' 1881 Shereford, Norfolk, England, who married Susannah Ellen Sellers b. 4 Feb' 1882 Front Row HIghgate, Kings Lynn, Norfolkshire, England, daughet of Richard & Matilda Gray.

    The names of Walter, William, Joseph, Job, Sylvester/Silvester, Naplolean, Levinia/Lavina, are coincidently shared by both branches of the Waterfields They both appear to be living & travelling around Norfolk, Lincoln, Cambridge localities.

    Coromandels findings of the Sellers family seems to also tick the boxes.
    Is this the right family in 1881?

    7 Long Row, Kings Lynn St Margaret
    Richard Sellars, head, m., 22, hawker, born Colchester, Essex
    Matilda Sellars, wife, m., 23, b. Lincoln, Lincoln[shire]
    Richard Sellars, son, 4 mo., b. Kings Lynn, Norfolk


    Thanks guys
    Rico

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rico View Post
    The next logical question is how William Waterfield father of Pooley/Napolean's b. c. 1855 , is related to Joseph Waterfield b. 1838 Tittleshall Cum-Godwick, Norfolk, England, husband of Margaret Gray....
    To try and answer, William's parents appear to be William and Charlotte...

    1851: Piece: 1832; Folio: 94; Page: 18
    Methwold, Norfolk
    WATERFIELD, William, head, 60, tinker and brasier, Drinkstone Leicestershire
    WATERFIELD, Charlote, wife, 57, Brigg Lincolnshire
    WATERFIELD, William, son, married, 30, tinker and brasier, Maple Cambridgeshire
    WATERFIELD, John, grandson, 12, North Tuddenham Norfolk
    WATERFIELD, William, grandson, 7, Ringland Norfolk
    WATERFIELD, Charlote, granddau, 4, Rockland Norfolk
    WATERFIELD, Maria, granddau, 1 Scarnell Norfolk
    WATERFIELD, Amy, daughter in law, 31, North Tuddenham Norfolk

    Note: If you search FreeREG you will find baptisms for some of the children of William and Amy. For example, there is one for a Charlotte WATERFIELD bap. on 02 Apr 1847 at Rockland St Peter Norfolk. In the notes section it states that the informant is the grandmother Charlotte Waterfield.
    So far have only found one baptism for a child of William WATERFIELD and Charlotte and that's for an Elizabeth bap. 22 Feb 1826 at North Elmham in Norfolk.

    Joseph Waterfield is being more elusive in the earlier census. Will have to hunt some more for him.

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