Results 1 to 10 of 10
  1. #1
    Valman
    Guest

    Default Charles Giles of the "Hind".

    Hi,

    l'm trying to find out about Charles Giles who married Alice Courts in 1808 in Fowey, on their marriage details it states "of the Hind" and l've found him mentioned as a Coastguard on the revenue cutter, they had a son also Charles in 1809, but l cannot find anything else about the family. l wondered if someone has an idea how l can find out more about him and the "Hind" during his service. l did wonder would he have been in the merchant or the royal navy to have been a coastguard, perhaps that would be a way to trace his history.

    Thanks very much,

    Valman

  2. #2
    Name well known on Brit-Gen
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    North London
    Posts
    5,148

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Valman View Post
    l've found him mentioned as a Coastguard on the revenue cutter, they had a son also Charles in 1809, but l cannot find anything else about the family. l wondered if someone has an idea how l can find out more about him and the "Hind" during his service.
    A look at the standard research guide suggests that there are few formal records for the service at this relatively early date, but data can be found in various files at the National Archives in the series ADM.

    Quote Originally Posted by Valman View Post
    l did wonder would he have been in the merchant or the royal navy to have been a coastguard, perhaps that would be a way to trace his history.
    A revenue cutter would normally be a Royal Navy vessel, so he would have been serving in the RN at that stage. Paul Benyon's site has some useful information on the Hind.
    www.
    pbenyon.plus.com/18-1900/H/02285.html

    Ships' musters for the Hind for this period are in ADM 37 at the National Archives. If you can find him there, the entry should give an approximate date and place of birth and may provide a lead to his previous and/or subsequent ship(s).

    He may also have been entitled to a Greenwich pension, which offers you an additional research route. It's a long shot, but I wonder if he is the Charles GILES Greenwich out-pensioner who applied for admission to Greenwich Hospital on 2 July 1824? This man was apparently admitted to the Hospital as an in-pensioner in that year, aged 52, so born c1772.
    www.
    britishmedals.us/files/greenwich24to31.htm

    Would that time-frame fit with what you know of your man?

    If you are visiting Kew to look at the ship's musters, you could also look at this Charles GILES in the Greenwich Hospital registers for 1824, which are in ADM 73. You might also find him before 1824 in the out-pension paybooks in ADM 22. Any entries found in these Greenwich sources should give you enough information to establish whether he is your man and (if he is) will help with tracing his service in the RN.

  3. #3
    Valman
    Guest

    Default

    Hi Kerrywood,

    Thank you so much for your help, l must try get to Kew at sometime to have a look at the ADM 37's having worked there for many years l know what l'd be looking at, its just getting there that is a problem at the moment, l tried to order photocopies but they estimate completion in November! l've checked out the Charles Giles you mentioned in the Greenwich Hospital and l don't think that is him because he's still there in the 1841 census and it shows him as being from Ireland. l suppose there is a chance that even though he came from Fowey as did his wife and son he may have been transferred elsewhere.

    Valman.

  4. #4
    Newcomer to Brit-Gen
    Join Date
    Oct 2021
    Location
    SouthAustralia
    Posts
    3

    Default to Valman

    Old post 2011 re Charles Giles & Alice Courts m. 1808 place of residence given as the 'Hind' a coast guard cutter. I can find nothing about this Charles, but his son Charles b. 1809 was also a seaman in the Royal Navy, he was wounded by a cutlass in the Battle of Navarino in 1827. Retired from navy resided in Devon, some record think he may have done a Horticulture course. However he married in Devon and came to Australia to the new Colony of South Australia in 1838. Charles Giles became very well known as was a pioneer in planting the first orchard in South Australia at Norton Summit;''. Later in 1863 & 1864 a number of relatives joined him and were employed by him. But the two families didn't really recognize each other as relatives but rather as 'Workmen' Money probably was at the bottom of the 'rift' as Charles was quite a well to-do gentleman where as the other Giles relations were very poor. I hope this eventually reaches you! From South Australia, decendant of William Giles b. 1807 in lanteglos by Fowey, Cornwall. Charles & William shared the same Great Grand parents from St, Veep, Cornwall.

  5. #5

    Default

    Welcome to British Genealogy (BG) Eremophila.
    As you observe, this is a very old thread and Valman is no longer a member of BG (You can this from the word "guest" under their name top left of the message box, where yours says "newcomer". Our system does not retain the information of people who leave the forum, so there is no way that they can be contacted by us.

    Don't give up. though. We have many helpful and friendly members, and someone may be able to help or benefit from your info.

  6. #6
    Newcomer to Brit-Gen
    Join Date
    Oct 2021
    Location
    SouthAustralia
    Posts
    3

    Default Charles Giles on the "Hind" 1808

    I am searching for any information regarding Charles Giles aboard the 'Hind' in 1808, as per his marriage to Alice Courts. No further references to him. His son Charles b. 1809 in Cornwall, eventually joined Navy was wounded in 1827 at battle of Navarino.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lesley Robertson View Post
    Welcome to British Genealogy (BG) Eremophila.
    As you observe, this is a very old thread and Valman is no longer a member of BG (You can this from the word "guest" under their name top left of the message box, where yours says "newcomer". Our system does not retain the information of people who leave the forum, so there is no way that they can be contacted by us.

    Don't give up. though. We have many helpful and friendly members, and someone may be able to help or benefit from your info.

  7. #7
    Knowledgeable and helpful
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    gloucestershire
    Posts
    502

    Default

    If you google "hind cutter fowey" you should find links to some detailed accounts of the actions "Hind" was involved durring early 1800s. Interesting as background information.

  8. #8
    Knowledgeable and helpful
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    gloucestershire
    Posts
    502

    Default

    Google ("Charles giles" hind) and you should find link to a site dealing with Cornish smugglers. There is an entry "Charles Giles 1808 Fowey Hind Ref CL" but there is no explanation for the meaning of CL

  9. #9
    Newcomer to Brit-Gen
    Join Date
    Oct 2021
    Location
    SouthAustralia
    Posts
    3

    Default Charles Giles on the "Hind" 1808

    There are a number of Charles Giles's the Charles sent off to Van Dieman's Land is not the same Charles as was aboard the Hind in 1808. This latter Charles leaves no records after 1809 when he had a son 'Charles' who eventually came to Australia in 1838 after retiring from the Navy on being wounded at battle of Navarino in 1827. But his father is a real mystery, I know he married Alice Courts in 1808 and 'Charles' b 1809 appears to be the only child from the marriage.


    Quote Originally Posted by brentor boy View Post
    Google ("Charles giles" hind) and you should find link to a site dealing with Cornish smugglers. There is an entry "Charles Giles 1808 Fowey Hind Ref CL" but there is no explanation for the meaning of CL

  10. #10
    Reputation beyond repute
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    Kent
    Posts
    16,773

    Default

    there is no explanation for the meaning of CL
    Courtney Library

    https://www.royalcornwallmuseum.org....urtney-library

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Select a file: