Richard,
I am totally confused by this message, because I don't understand your thinking.
I assume that Alice Cheverton is connected, either by birth or marriage, to a sibling of Ewan's direct line. And although with a direct line we do have to go back and obtain the proof via the 1911 census back to 1841 in that order, when we want to find out more about the link with any siblings of our direct ancestors we have to bring those siblings forward via the census in reverse order. i.e. 1841(or whichever year you've got back to with your definite proof) through to 1911.
Which is what Ewan is trying to do.
Which is why he doesn't have the 1911 census entry - because he doesn't have them in 1891 to bring forward to 1901 and hence the 1911.
I will admit the basic details may have got a little lost because there was mis-information from a census entry - which has now been sorted, but it should still be fairly simple to work out what details have been given, and what information asked for, by Ewan. viz:
1. Alice Cheverton (actually Alice Emily) born 1855 Isle of Wight married John James Williams in 1884 Isle of Wight. No marriage certificate obtained because like the rest of us, Ewan doesn't have the cash to splash on certificates for the outer branches of our trees. (Except as a last resort, which this might yet come to. )
2. They had a son Walter John(Williams) in 1885 Isle of Wight.
3. None of the family can be found in 1891. Can we find them in 1891 or 1901?
4. The Walter John Williams aged 7 and living in Southampton (according to Ancestry with the Greenwood family) in 1891, and then correctly living with mum Elizabeth in Southampton in 1901, is not the Walter John, son of Alice.
Pam
p.s. Slow typist cross-posted with Ewan.
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Thread: 1891 and 1901 Help
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16-03-2011, 10:48 AM #11
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Last edited by Pam Downes; 16-03-2011 at 10:50 AM. Reason: Due to slow typing of message, had to add p.s.
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16-03-2011, 11:23 AM #12Richard1955Guest
Hi Ewan
Understood.
I see your in good hands with Pam on board and as she has dabbled previously
I'll leave it for the prof so as not to confuse or frustrate things.
Good luck
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16-03-2011, 4:04 PM #13ewanGuest
Hello there Richard, thank you for your interest anyway, it is always appreciated.
Ewan
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16-03-2011, 4:34 PM #14
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Ooh, how weird.
I know that every registration district has a 'main' register office, plus one or more sub district offices, where births and deaths can be registered.
I had assumed that the 'main' register office was also used for non-ecclesiastical marriages from the beginning of civil registration, but from what you're being told that doesn't seem to be the case.
What I do know for certain is that there is a system to the page numbers used in the GRO Index each quarter for marriages, and the place of marriage can (usually) be pinpointed. I'll make more enquiries.
Pam
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16-03-2011, 7:39 PM #15sheila oneGuest
Hello
My name is Sheila and i have done a quick look for you and come up with Alice Emily Cheverton born 1855 isle of wight.
FATHER William born 1821
MOTHER Hanah born 1824
they had several children but 2 walter's one walter faulkner born 1852 and walter william born 1859.
Hope this helps
sheila
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17-03-2011, 1:02 PM #16ewanGuest
Hello Sheila, thank you very much for your interest and help.
I have found at least 10 children baptised to William and Hannah Cheverton from 1847 - 1868. I think that there is only one of them with the name of Walter the other one you may be talking about is a Wallis William, a strange name I have never heard of it before.
Thank you again.
Ewan
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08-04-2011, 8:29 PM #17auldjeannieGuest
Name: Carroline William
Age: 54
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: Isle of Wight
Civil parish: North Arreton
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
Town: Wootton Bridge
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Registration district: Isle of Wight
Sub-registration district: Cowes
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Household schedule number: 96
Frank Warne 30
Louisa Warne 30
Ernest Warne 5
Carroline William 54
George Williams 20
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Ewan - my apologies, as I've forgotten to post my findings from the other week.
To start with, the index wasn't as easy to peruse as I'd thought it would be. I expected an alpha list, with a quick zoom to the relevant surnames, done. Well, Rabbie Burns was right - the best laid plans o' mice and men gang oft agley. The index was alpha - as in alpha for individual parishes, and then alpha surnames within the parishes. So a five-minute job took me the best part of an hour, and had to be left unfinished as I had to go to a meeting.
I found no trace of Alice and John's marriage though I did find some other bits out - and I've managed to lose the sheet of paper with the details on. (Wasn't anything too exciting - think it was that Alices' parents were widower and widow when they married.)
Will have a look for that sheet of paper later today.
Pam
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09-04-2011, 2:22 PM #19ewanGuest
Thank you auldjeannie for your reply, but I am not sure how you think that this census entry may connect with John James and Alice Emily Williams. Please let me know as I may be missing something.
Pam, I really must thank you for your time spent looking through those indexes for me, it is very much appreciated. A message has been left on ancestry (approx 2 weeks ago) regarding Frank Henry Cheverton (brother of Alice) but as yet I have had no reply. I haven't been able to check out siblings of Alice Emily Cheverton either to see what happened to them. I feel that Alice, John and their son Walter Williams may have emigrated but have not traced that path either. There is a Walter Williams aged 31 arriving at Liverpool in 1915 from Port Stanley a scaffolder but that is all the details I have and no one seems to know how I could find out anymore about the actual entry. Again it is another brick wall as to what become of an Alice. I have been in contact with descendants of the siblings of Alice but unfortunately they know nothing of her either.
Ewan
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Hi Ewan,
As usual, I was looking for something else and I found my notes!
As I said, there's nothing much to report.
I did find the marriage entry of Alice's parents in the index.
William F Cheverton, widower, married Hannah Linington, widow, on 24 January 1846 in Barton.
His father was William Cheverton; hers was William Warren.
I checked Barton and Arreton for first marriages for William and Hannah, but without success.
I also checked the following C of E parishes for grooms called Cheverton and brides called Cheverton (for catching Alice) and Warren (for catching Hannah), but without success.
Bembridge, Binstead, Bonchurch, Brading, Brighstone, Brook.
Calbourne, Carisbrooke St John, Carisbrooke St Mary, Chale, Cowes St Mary, Cowes Holy Trinity (seems to be listed as West Cowes nowadays)
East Cowes
Freshwater
Gatcombe, Godshill
Kingston
Mottistone
Newchurch, Newport
I also checked Havenstreet, which seems to be St Peters; Havenstreet being 'part' of Ryde.
Strangely, considering that Hannah (according to the 1851 census was born about 1825, I can't find a marriage of a Hannah Warren to a Linington/Lininton/Limington after the start of civil registration in July 1837.
Sorry, I made you wait so long for so little.
Pam
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