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    See how Margaret's birth year differs from her marriage and 1901 and 1911 census.
    There doesn't appear to be a birth registration which fits with the above birthday. There's one in Ulverston but that Margaret Jane can be tracedd through the census.

    My take is the 1939 register has the wrong birth date, but I cannot be certain.

    I had thought this baptism most likely.

    Name: Margaret Jane Quine
    Birth Date: 22 Sep 1880
    Baptism Date: 13 Dec 1880
    Baptism Place: St Peter's Church, England, Lancashire, Liverpool
    Father: William Quine
    Mother: Margaret Ann

    And the corresponding registration

    Margaret Jane Quine, Oct-Nov-Dec 1880, West Derby, vol 8b page 414
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    See what I mean re: birth years changing from one census to another.

    1881, 34 Court Green St, St Martin Liverpool, RG11; Piece: 3597; Folio: 117; Page: 55
    All born Liverpool
    James Caldwell 43, boiler maker
    Elizabeth Caldwell 42
    Elizabeth Caldwell 13
    James Caldwell 14
    Esable (sic) ??? Caldwell 10
    John Caldwell 6
    Alexander Caldwell 3

    1891, 2 court 5 house, Kirkdale, Liverpool, RG12; Piece: 2963; Folio: 105; Page: 31
    All born Liverpool
    James Caldwell 49, labourer in boiler yard
    Elizabeth Caldwell 51
    Isabella Caldwell 18
    Duncan Caldwell 16
    Alexander Caldwell 14
    James Caldwell 22, married
    Alice Caldwell 21, married, dau in law
    Lanshlon (sic)??? (Lauchland?) Caldwell 4/12

    John Duncan Caldwell seems to use his full name, or just John or Just Duncan depending which record you look at.
    Alma

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    The Liverpool electoral register 1939-1940 has Thomas and Margaret Jane HALLMARK and Arthur CALDWELL living at 81 Prince Edwin Street.

    Thomas dies in 1943:

    Deaths March quarter 1943

    HALLMARK, Thomas M C
    Aged 59
    Liverpool N. 8b 455

    In 1945 Margaret HALLMARK, her son Arthur CALDWELL and daughter Margaret ABRAHAM are together at the Prince Edwin address. In 1950 only Margaret ABRAHAM and her husband John are at that address.

    If you think that Margaret died around the same time as Thomas then I suggest that you contact the Liverpool council for burial records as you may find them at one of the cemeteries together.

    Just for your interest, Thomas Murdock Caldwell HALLMARK was the son of Frederick HALLMARK and Margaret CALDWELL. Margaret was the sister of John Duncan's father James. This makes JD and Thomas cousins.

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    Hi Almach
    Yes it is very confusing.
    My Family is not as straight forward as you would wish when doing research.
    Thanks i will keep looking.

    Angela

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    Hi Dundee 10
    Well i didn't see that one coming.
    So Margaret married a cousin of her Husband.
    Well that keeping it in the family.
    Thanks for the Info.

    Angela

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    Dundee 10 I have some questions about the below info.
    The Liverpool electoral register 1939-1940 has Thomas and Margaret Jane HALLMARK and Arthur CALDWELL living at 81 Prince Edwin Street.

    Thomas dies in 1943:

    Deaths March quarter 1943

    HALLMARK, Thomas M C
    Aged 59
    Liverpool N. 8b 455

    In 1945 Margaret HALLMARK, her son Arthur CALDWELL and daughter Margaret ABRAHAM are together at the Prince Edwin address. In 1950 only Margaret ABRAHAM and her husband John are at that address.

    If you think that Margaret died around the same time as Thomas then I suggest that you contact the Liverpool council for burial records as you may find them at one of the cemeteries together.

    Just for your interest, Thomas Murdock Caldwell HALLMARK was the son of Frederick HALLMARK and Margaret CALDWELL. Margaret was the sister of John Duncan's father James. This makes JD and Thomas cousins.

    Thanks for this information.Talked to my Mum again about her Grandmother Margaret she thinks she is wrong about her passing in the 1940"s.How do i find out when she actually did die.How do I find the death certificates for Arthur Caldwell my Mum remembers her father going to her Uncles Funeral doesnt remember the year though.Would like to know how to find Margaret Hallmark-Abraham born in 1919 death certificate did she have children with husband John Abraham.Any info on Thomas Hallmark son born in 1917 marriage children and death

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    A possibility for Margaret Hallmark Abraham death
    Margaret Jane Abraham
    Death Age 84
    Birth Date 13 Sep 1919
    Registration Date Oct 2003
    Registration district Knowsley, Merseyside
    Register Number A45
    District and Subdistrict 023/1A
    Entry Number 202
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    A son

    Arthur C Abraham
    Registered Sept 1/4 1949
    Registration district Liverpool North Lancashire
    Mother's maiden name Hallmark
    Vol 10d Page 357

    Arthur died in 2003.

    If you use FreeBMD you will find the births of 5 children to Margaret and John, including Arthur. The first is in 1945 and the last in 1957, all registered in Liverpool North reg dist.
    I can't give you their names as they may still be alive.
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    Christal
    Thanks for the info on my Great Aunt Margaret Hallmark-Abraham and her family.Talked to my Mum tonight she has no info on Her father's half brother or half sister.It seems my Grandfather was estranged from his family after he left to go in the Army.Were you able to find any info on Arthur Caldwell born in 1914.Or his half brother Thomas Hallmark born in 1917.

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    There were four Arthur Caldwells born in lancashire in 1914 - thankfully not in the same areas so I think this is the death of your Arthur.
    Arthur Caldwell age 34 March 1/4 1949 registration district Liverpool N. vol 10d page 564.

    I can't see a suitable marriage for him.

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