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This post provides data on Thomas Charles Greatorex and his daughters from his first marriage to Frances Tappy.

Baptism 8 September 1836 Maria Louisa Greatorex born 1 May 1835 -Parents Thomas and Frances Greatorex carver and gilder Charles Street.St.George Hanover Square

This maybe Maria in the 1851 Census (Copyright TNA) HO107 1507 476 9
148 Holborn St George Bloomsbury Middlesex
Maria L GIRTRIX visitor u 16 b Surrey in house of Phillip Gethain? H M 50 Inland Revenue Officer b Ireland

There is a Marriage between a Maria Louisa Greatorex and William Cumming
(Copyright TNA)
Church St.James Westminster Middlesex
27 October 1855
WILLIAM CUMMING Full age Bachelor Staff Officer Queen's Service St James Westminster-father PATRICK MATHIAS CUMMING Clerk in Holy Orders deceased

MARIA LOUISA GREATOREX a minor with consent Spinster St.James Westminster father JOHN GREATOREX Merchant
Witnesses James Barrett, Marian Greatorex

Nb The first name of James for the father of Maria presents an issue and there is no record currently which has Thomas Charles Greatorex with the name James

The 1841 Census (Copyright TNA) HO107 1052 4 11 16 18
This appears to be Fanny and Maria- Parisian House School St.Giles Camberwell Surrey
Fanny Greatorex 9 scholar Not born in county
Maria Greatorex 6 scholar not born in county

1841 (Copyright TNA) H0107 1065 9 18 37 14 25
Parliament Street Rodney Buildings St.Mary Newington Surrey
Thomas Greatorex 38 wine merchant not born in county
Marian Greatorex 3 born in county

Nb The spelling of surnames is variable in the census

1851 Census ( Copyright TNA)
22 Church Street St.Anne Westminster
Thos Greatorex H widower 40 wine merchant b London
Marion Greatorex daughter 8 scholar b London

I will post data on the 2nd marriage of Thomas Charles Greatorex in a later post.He appears in 1843 Bell's News Weekly Messenger 12 November 1843 as Thomas Charles Greatorex Parliament Street wine merchant
In earlier records he appears as Thomas Charles Greatorex 1835 1 Knightsbridge London carver and gilder and at 6 Charles Street Grosvenor Square 1835 carver and gilder.

The London Gazette 3 November 1843 records-
Thomas Charles Greatorex ( sued,committed and known as Thomas Greatorex) formerly in copartnershipand trading with William Woolfryes at 79 Lower Thames Street London under the firm and style T.Greatorex and Co as wine,beer and provision merchants and custom house agents during same time living private at Holly House,New Kent Road Surrey then trading at 33 East Chaep London as a wine and beer merchant at same time lodging at Hollyhouse aforesaid,then of 11 Parliament Street Westminster Middlesex at the same time lodging at 43 Berwick Street,Soho Middlesex and late of 11 Parliament Street,aforesaid,Wine merchant

9 July 1841 Partnership between Thomas Greatorex and William Woolfryes dissolved as Shipping Agents and General Dealers carrying business at 79 Lower Thames Street City of London

I will post further records relating to Thomas Charles Greatorex.

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This post relates to the court case for debt and fraud concerning Thomas Charles Greatorex. The case took place over two days -The Morning Post Tues 29 November 1843.."The insolvent was remanded by the Court in 1840 for nine months. He soon afterwards appeared in a house handsomely furnished called " Holly House" which belonged he said to the sister of his late wife Mrs Fensham. He had been a provision merchant in Lower Thames Street and a wine merchant in East Cheap and other places..He spoke of his children and their sufferings by his imprisonment...He stated he was about to be married to a woman of great property.."

Other newspaper accounts (The Standard Weds 29 November 1843 ) said that Greatorex had owned Holly house but sold it to his sister in law by a bill of sale but this bill was not produced. He had bought large quantities of beer to be delivered to 33 East Cheap and his daughter was a wine merchant. He also bought clothes including an army uniform because he was a member of the Surrey Yeomanry. The case was brought by a tailor and others for the debts Greatorex owed. "The Chief Commissioner remanded Greatorex for a period of 12 calender months from the date of the vestry order .."

The 1841 Census (Crown Copyright TNA) shows Frances Greatorex 30, Louisa Fensham 30, Charles John Fensham 11 living in Passage Tappy Alley -HO107 492 3 6 43 43. Ancestry family trees link the Fensham, Tappy and Greatorex lines through marriage.

There is no indication that Greatorex married in the 1840s until a much later marriage.

I will post further.

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The following data relates to Thomas Charles Greatorex and his court cases. Court of Chancery 1841 -National Archives UK- Greatorex v Woolfryes.Plaintiff Thomas Charles Greatorex-Defendants William Woolfryes and Henry Ays Di Medina.S.M.P

Petition 24 February 1846-Thomas Charles Greatorex (sued as T.Greatorex) formerly of Holly House,New Kent Road, St.Mary Newington Surrey in no business and late of the same place,clerk to Messrs Fensham and Co wine merchants 38 Dowgatehill London but now Prisoner for Debt in the Debtors Prison for Middlesex an insolvent debtor

Partnership dissolved 2 August 1833 Thomas Charles Greatorex and Robert John Dobree carvers and gilders,Charles Street

Bankrupt certificate 9 August 1836 Thomas Charles Greatorex 6 Charles Street Grosvenor Square Middlesex Picture dealer and Carrier and Gilder

Petition
Thoams Charles Greatorex late of Adam Street,West, Berkley Square Middlesex and 38 Dowgatehill,London wine merchant-in Debtors prison for London and Middlesex The London Gazette 24 February 1846

Thomas Charles Greatorex Charles Street ,Grosvenor Square picture dealer to surrender at Court of Bankruptcy The London Gazette Weds Oct 25 1835

I will post on his later marriage.

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Data on the 2nd marriage of Thomas Charles Greatorex:
GRO Marriage Index June qtr 1860 St.James 1a 639
Selina FELLOWES-Thomas Charles Greatorex

1861 Census (Copyright TNA) RG9 176 116 26
10 and 11 Leicester Place Prince of Wales Hotel
Thomas Greatorex H M 55 Hotel Keeper b Staffordshire
Leona wife 37 b Staffordshire
Frances dau u 28 b Middx London
Alphonse son 11 mths b Middx London

1871 Census ( Copyright TNA)RG10 147 46 24
11 Leicester Place St.Anne Soho London
Thomas Greatorex H M 68 Hotel Keeper b ? Staffordshire
Selina wife 39 b Paddington Middx
Alphonse son 10 b St.Anne Soho
**There appear to be discrepancies in the dob and place of birth for Selina aka Leena aka Leona

1881 Census (Copyright TNA)RG11 321 131 29
6 Thorney Street St.George Bloomsbury, London
Thomas Greatorex H M 78 Wine merchant b Staffordshire
Selina wife b Middx St.Clements
Alphonse son u 19 Piano tuner b Middx St.Anne

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The following data indicates the death of Thomas Charles Greatorex although the age at death differs between the two records and his baptism record. GRO Death Index Thomas Greatorex age 77 St.Giles Dec qtr 1883 1b 373.

The St.Giles Workhouse,Camden,Holborn record-Death 6 October 1883 age 81 Thomas Greatorex buried 9 October 1883. He was born in 1806 but records of death are often variable at the time.

His son Alphonse William Claybrooke Greatorex married Mary Agnes Brown age 24 in 1885 St Peter Church Bethnal Green but was a widower by the 1901 Census with son Raymond, Jack and daughter Elizabeth. His son Jack was killed WW1`22 June 1916 Flanders and France 7th Battalion Rifle Brigade.

Alphonse was buried 23 February 1917 age 56 Chingford Mount Cemetery Waltham Forest.

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The following posts relate to Alfred Bate Richards and his mistress Marion Catherine Seaward Greatorex. They are the parents of Edmee Georgina who married Napthali Asher Hart. I have previously posted data on the first marriage of Alfred Bate Richards to Emma Gaggiotti and their son. In addition, I have posted on the children of Alfred Bate Richards and Marion Greatorex.

It is not my intention to repeat information on Alfred Bate Richards which can be seen on various websites. However, there has been little mention of the mistress of John Richards MP the father of Alfred Bate Richards. She was Mary Jane Simmons and appears in the will of John Richards in 1847. He was married to Frances. There is one Ancestry public family tree which gives her maiden name as Borton. This does not appear to be correct based on the marriage 20 September 1819 between John Richards and Frances Borton St.Mary Lambeth and the will of Frances Richards 1847 which appears to relate to the original marriage. More research is needed to establish the maiden name of the mother of Alfred Bate Richards and his sister Emily Frances Fryer nee Richards.

In his will John Richards refers to bequests to his "three natural or reputed children John,Arthur Henry,Percy Richards the two eldest of whom have been baptised as Richards sons of Mary Jane Simmons single woman and the youngest of whom is shortly to be baptised as Percy Richards son of Mary Jane Simmons single woman.." He left a bequest to his godson Richard Simmons late of South Street Walworth but now of ..? Hill Blackheath, Mary Jane Simmons commonly known as Richards was also living at the Blackheath address with Mary Ann Whitehead.Another son Sidney was born shortly after John Richards death.
He left further bequests to his son Alfred Bate Richards and his daughter Emily Frances his only daughter.
1851 Census (Copyright TNA)ho107 1419 287 43
5 Alfred Place West Kensington Middlesex
Mary RICHARDS H widow 30 Landed Proprietor b Cambridge
John son 9 b London
Arthur son 8 b London
Percy son 6 b London
Sidney son 4 b London
Mary A Whitehead aunt u 60 Annuitant b Huntingdon A..?

Nb As a probable coincidence the 1851 address of 5 Alfred Place West Kensington was the later 1861 home of Henry Hart ( wife Rosa Lyons) and his niece Fanny Hart- Henry was the son of Benjamin Hart my 3x great grandfather. The brother of Henry was John Hart/Elizabeth Jacobs and their son Henry Chapman Hart married Amelia Hart sister of Napthali Asher Hart.

Mary Jane Richards nee Simmons can be seen in the 1861 Census (RG9 15 166 5 )with her sons Arthur and Sydney and in 1871 RG10 198 70 27 with her son Percy and in 1881 at 97 Abbey Road Hampstead London RG11 172 80 6 age 59 living with 2 servants and 3 boarders

She died 16 November 1885 at 97 Abbey Road St Johns wood and her sole executor was her son Percy. She is buried as Mary Jane Richards born 20 November 1820 age 63 Private grave 3rd internment Brompton Cemetery

I will post census data on Alfred Bate Richards and Marion Catherine Seaward Greatorex.

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The following census data relates to Alfred Bate Richards and his mistress and children:
1841 Census (Copyright TNA)HO 107 892 4 1 9
Exeter College Oxfordshire
Alfred B Richards 20 student Not born in county

1851 (Copyright TNA)4 Upper Wellington Street St.Paul Covent Graden Middlesex
Alfred Bate Richards lodger M 31 Barrister at law b Worcester Claines in house of William Goodson and his family
1861 Census ( Copyright TNA)RG9 339 152 11
15 Brunswick Terrace Newington St.Mary Surrey
Alfred Richards H M 41 Barrister not in practice b Worcester Claines
Marion Richards wife 20 b Surrey Camberwell
+2 servants

1871 Census ( Copyright TNA) RG10 621 11 17
12 South Place St.Mary Newington London
Alfred Bate Richards H M 57 Barrister at law;Journalist and land owner b Claines Worcester
Marion C S Richards wife 27 b Kent Road
Edmee Camilla dau 9 b St Johns North
Olgar Beatrice E dau 6 b Pimlico
Lillian May dau 4 b Pimlico
Edgar Carrington son 3 b Bloomsbury
Silvia Caroline dau 1 b St.Pancras
2 visitors

GRO Death Index
Marion Richards Sept qtr 1877 age 38 St.Giles 1b 295

Burial-Alfred Bate Richards age 56 b abt 1820 Burial 16 June 1876 St.Peter's Church Croydon Surrey

Probate
Alfred Bate Richards 22 Brunswick Square Bloomsbury Probate to Frederick Winterbotham 127 Fleet Street and of Serjeants Inn City of London Gentleman and George William Blogg 19 Great Winchester Street London merchant Universal legatees in trust Effects under £6000.
He left his estate to Marion.

Frances Richards sister of John Richards and aunt of Alfred Bate Richards and Emily Frances left bequests to both of them in her will proved 1856.

I have yet to identify where Marion is buried.

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Findagrave- Memorial with inscription to both Marion Richards b 1839 Death 9 August 1877 and Colonel Alfred Bate Richards - St Peter Churchyard South Croydon

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The following Marriage Record confirms that John Richards Claines Worcestershire MP married Frances Smith:
Glamorganshire Anglican Marriages
JOHN RICHARDS of CLAINES WORCESTER to FRANCES SMITH -25 April 1816 St.Mary,Swansea Glamorgan
Witnesses Robert Paunceforte, William Davies

There are several newspaper records for the marriage- John Richards Esq of Worcester to Frances youngest daughter of Thomas Smith Esq of Swansea- Oxford University and City Herald 11 May 1816; Gloucester Journal 29 April 1816

See also The Heraldry of Worcestershire, Being a Roll of the Arms H.S.Grazebrook,1873

Death
After a long illness, John Richards Esq of WassellGrove,Worcestershire and of Calvert's Buildings Southwark formerly High Sheriff for the County of Worcester and member in two successive parl;iaments for the borough of Knaresborough aged 67 years. London Evening Standard 12 June 1847

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Various records relating to John Richards and Frances Smith plus their two children.
1841 Census (Copyright TNA) ho107 119 7 6 4 5 3 2
Wassell Grove Hagley Worcestershire
Nb The first entry reads Richards John 60 Merchant born in county
Frances Richards 45 Not born in county- there is a tick in the column which reads Where born in Scotland,Ireland or Foreign parts

Baptism Claines Worcester 1817 23 August Emily Frances Richards -parents John and Frances Richards Hop Merchant Baskerville House

Baptism Claines Worcester 5 March 1820 Alfred Bate Richards Baskerville House-parents John and Frances Richards Hop Merchant

There is an 1851 Census record HO107 1703 392 42 (Copyright TNA) for a Frances Richards 56 widow Independent Lady b Middx N K with servants living at Chase Green Enfield Middlesex - I do not know if this is the widowed wife of John Richards- there is 1 Ancestry family tree which has her death in Brussels Belgium 1850 but I have seen no record to confirm this.

The Worcester Heraldry online publication refers to Frances Smith as the wife of John Richards and this confirms the wedding record previously posted on in this thread.