SALE Family Bolton area

[arnie]

Im attempting to trace Margaret Chambers (nee SALE)
1871 Census for Lancashire
Charles Sale Head age 43 Died 1876 age 48
Mary A Wife age 38 Died 1979 age 46
James Son age 18 Married Alice Turner 1876 in Chorley
Margaret Dau age 10 Later married Henry Chambers 1886
John Thomas Son age 8
William Son age 6
Harriet Dau age 4
Doroty Dau age 7M Died 1873 age 3

I cannot find any record of
1) Margaret between 1871 census and marriage in 1886
2) John T after 1871
3) William and Harriet

If anyone can pls assist
also how can I find records in Lancashire prior to 1835 BMD and 1841 Census remembering that I am in Australia

Regards
brian
Sydney

[emeltee]

Hi,

I have found the following for you.

1841

Charles Sale 14 Ag Lab born in county Cross's, Rivington, Lancs

1851

James Latham 71 Head Handloom Weaver Cotton born Anderton, Lancs
Charles Sale 25 Son in law Generator at Water Works born Rivington, Lancs
Sarah Sale 32 Daughter Handloom Weaver Cotton born Rivington, Lancs
Ellen Sale 6m Granddaughter born Rivington
All living at 1 Pall Mall Cottages, Rivington

1861

Charles Sale 32 Inspector Water Works born Rivington
Mary A 27 born Adlington
James 7 born Rivington
Margaret 8 mths born Anderton
All living at Isherwoods, Anderton

FreeBMD has thrown up the following

Marriage
Charles Sale/Sarah Latham Jun 1850 Bolton 21 110

Death
Sarah Sale Jun 1854 Chorley 8e 231

Marriage
Charles Sale/ Mary Ann Hampson Mar 1860 Chorley 8e 551

There is also a Death for an Ellen Sale June 1861 Chorley 8e 551

For BMDs before 1837 in Lancashire try

www.lan-opc.org.uk

This site is being updated on a very regular basis, so if the information you want isn't there today, it may well be tomorrow.

Hope this helps,
Emeltee

[arnie]

Thanks Emeltee
There must be 2 Charles Sale's at that time because the marriage between Charles and Sarah Latham is the right time but according to the Census's he was married to a Mary Ann.
The marriage betwwn Charles and Mary Ann Hampson occurred in 1860
or did he marry twice??
The Parish records are a great help Thanks


Thanks
Brian
Sydney

[georgiep]

Hi Brian from new member in West Aus.

This looks like them in 1881

Margaret 20 head, John Thomas 18, Wm 16, Harriet 14, Joseph 6.
5 Hope St Horwich

RG11/3826/24/14

1891 John Sale bn 1863 in Horwich, married with his brother Joseph 16
RG12/3104/113/27

Cheers
georgie

[arnie]

Hi GeorgieP
Welcome to Brit Gen

Many thanks thats brilliant
What does "RG11/3826/24/14" relate to??
and
How did you find them?
I searched under Margaret and John Thomas for both 1881 & 1891 with no success

Thanks again
Brian
Sydney

[georgiep]

Sorry for not explaining Brian.
These are the census reference numbers class RG11 piece 3826 folio 24 page 14.
If you get into 1891 in Anc* put in surname scroll down to the blocks at the bottom & put in the ref I gave you for John.
They are there in familysearch free 1881 census too.
I may have found a marriage for Harriet.
Talk soon.

Georgie

[georgiep]

Can't trace her after the marriage I found, should have kept quiet!!
Did find John T in Lancs BMD to Margaret J Mather
Holy Trinity Horwich 1883.

1901 has Joseph Sale bn Anderton 25 boilermaker rivetter
Elizabeth J 21 bn Horwich, James 1yr bn Warrington
19 Longshaw St Warrington
with them is Alice Harrison 12 listed as sis in law.
Lancs BMD Joseph to Elizabeth J Harrison
Holy Trinity Horwich 1899.

Cheers
Georgie

[arnie]

Georgie
Your amazing
How did you come up with all this information??

I need to work it all out now and put in some order

Many thanks
Brian

[georgiep]

Not really Brian!
Wm has been giving me the run around although in 1911 there is only 1 Wm Sale bn Anderton he's 46 living in Bolton district. To know more, it's pay per view.

I've got him...1891 birthplace mistranscribed, reads Anderton on census form.
He's at 3 Canada St Horwich 26 "boiler tuber", wife Cecily 26, Clara 5, sis in law Ellen Latham 39 unm cotton doubler, all born Horwich.

Lancs BMD marr Wm to Cicely Latham, Holy Trinity Horwich 1884

1901 birthplace as Horwich
William 36 steam engine maker/tuber, Cicely 36, Clara 15 dressmaker's apprentice, 19 St John's St Horwich.
RG13/3609/10/12

I had another squizz in 1911, both Cicely as spelt and Clara are there.

Back to Harriet, poss married Alfred Brooks in 1892.
She's in 1911 Bolton district bn 1866 close enough.

I'll just pack up O.H's smoko and return.

Georgie

[georgiep]

Hi again
I've enjoyed this as it's in an area of Lancs that I am not familiar with.
Interesting that Cicely was nee Latham!

I'd say this is Harriet in 1901 listed as Brook
(I found her by using her first name only & wife of Albert etc)
There is a little squiggle after the k but not enough for the transcriber to say it should be Brooks.
Albert 32 coal miner underground bn Ainsworth, Harriet 34 bn Horwich, Eveline 6 bn Radcliffe
Bradley Fold, Ainsworth part of Bury.
RG13/3650/7/5
marr Bolton Rego Office or registrar attended
Harriet Sale to Alfred Brooks 1892
from Lancs BMD

TTFN
Georgie