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  1. #11
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    Hi Graham (...do you know if you are related to the Shetland Graham Wiseman?),

    The info comes from a small part of WATT family information recently obtained, it would appear BARBARA WATT (not the ANN you mentioned?) married twice i.e. 1st to WILLIAM WISEMAN & 2nd to ALEXANDER WATT.
    What I'd like to send you is too long to be allowed by the forum, do you have an alternative email address?

    Been.

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    Hi again Graham,

    I made further enquiries & was supplied the following:

    Descendants of Alexander Wiseman


    Generation No. 1

    1. ALEXANDER1 WISEMAN He married ELSPET WATT.

    More About ALEXANDER WISEMAN:
    Occupation: Fisherman

    Children of ALEXANDER WISEMAN and ELSPET WATT are:
    i. JANET2 WISEMAN, b. 29 Aug 1779, Gardenstown, Gamrie, Banff, Scotland.
    ii. MARGARET WISEMAN, b. 17 Aug 1783, Gardenstown, Gamrie, Banff, Scotland.
    2. iii. WILLIAM WISEMAN, b. 11 Oct 1785, Gardenstown, Gamrie, Banff, Scotland.
    iv. JEAN WISEMAN, b. 30 Oct 1787, Gardenstown, Gamrie, Banff, Scotland.


    Generation No. 2

    2. WILLIAM2 WISEMAN (ALEXANDER1) was born 11 Oct 1785 in Gardenstown, Gamrie, Banff, Scotland. He married ANNE WATT (Source: gro image-Scotlandspeople Site.) 01 Dec 1810 in Gardenstown, Gamrie, Banff, Scotland (Source: gro image-Scotlandspeople Site.), daughter of JOHN WATT and ANNE WEST. She was born 22 Apr 1785 in Crovie, Gamrie, Banff, Scotland, and died 13 Apr 1858 in Gardenstown, Gamrie, Banff, Scotland (Source: gro image-Scotlandspeople Site.).

    Notes for WILLIAM WISEMAN:
    This looks to be the right Wiseman, however was dead before the 1841 Census

    More About WILLIAM WISEMAN:
    Occupation: Fisherman

    More About ANNE WATT:
    Cause of Death: Decay of Nature

    More About WILLIAM WISEMAN and ANNE WATT:
    Marriage: 01 Dec 1810, Gardenstown, Gamrie, Banff, Scotland (Source: gro image-Scotlandspeople Site.)

    Children of WILLIAM WISEMAN and ANNE WATT are:
    3. i. JOHN3 WISEMAN, b. Abt. 1812, Gardenstown, Gamrie, Banff, Scotland; d. 17 Apr 1885, Gardenstown, Gamrie, Banff, Scotland.
    4. ii. ANN WISEMAN, b. 01 Mar 1814, Gardenstown, Gamrie, Banff, Scotland; d. 27 Feb 1870, Gardenstown, Gamrie, Banff, Scotland.
    5. iii. BARBARA WISEMAN, b. 08 Mar 1816, Gardenstown, Gamrie, Banff, Scotland; d. 17 Apr 1891, Crovie, Gamie, Banff, Scotland.
    iv. WILLIAM WISEMAN (Source: gro image-Scotlandspeople Site.), b. 12 Jun 1818, Gardenstown, Gamrie, Banff, Scotland.
    v. ELIZABETH WISEMAN (Source: gro image-Scotlandspeople Site.), b. 06 May 1820, Gardenstown, Gamrie, Banff, Scotland.
    6. vi. WILLIAM WISEMAN, b. 15 Sep 1822, Gardenstown, Gamrie, Banff, Scotland; d. 08 Aug 1891, Gardenstown, Gamrie, Banff, Scotland.
    7. vii. MARGARET WISEMAN, b. Abt. 1824, Gardenstown, Gamrie, Banff, Scotland; d. 23 Nov 1885, Gardenstown, Gamrie, Banff, Scotland.
    8. viii. ALEXANDER WISEMAN, b. 19 Mar 1827, Gardenstown, Gamrie, Banff, Scotland; d. 27 Dec 1902, Gardenstown, Gamrie, Banff, Scotland.


    Generation No. 3

    3. JOHN3 WISEMAN (WILLIAM2, ALEXANDER1) was born Abt. 1812 in Gardenstown, Gamrie, Banff, Scotland, and died 17 Apr 1885 in Gardenstown, Gamrie, Banff, Scotland. He married AGNES GATT (Source: gro image-Scotlandspeople Site.) 05 May 1838 in Gardenstown, Gamrie, Banff, Scotland (Source: gro image-Scotlandspeople Site.), daughter of WILLIAM GATT and AGNES GATT. She was born 22 Dec 1820 in Pennan Village, Aberdour, Aberdeen, Scotland, and died 12 Dec 1898 in Gardenstown, Gamrie, Banff, Scotland.

    More About JOHN WISEMAN:
    Cause of Death: Decay of Nature

    More About JOHN WISEMAN and AGNES GATT:
    Marriage: 05 May 1838, Gardenstown, Gamrie, Banff, Scotland (Source: gro image-Scotlandspeople Site.)

    Children of JOHN WISEMAN and AGNES GATT are:
    9. i. ANN4 WISEMAN, b. 10 Jul 1839, Gardenstown, Gamrie, Banff, Scotland; d. 15 May 1917, Macduff, Gamrie, Banff, Scotland.
    10. ii. AGNES WISEMAN, b. 06 May 1841, Gardenstown, Gamrie, Banff, Scotland; d. 04 Dec 1900, Gardenstown, Gamrie, Banff, Scotland.
    iii. MARGARET WISEMAN, b. 30 Oct 1842, Gardenstown, Gamrie, Banff, Scotland.
    11. iv. BARBARA WISEMAN, b. 05 Aug 1843, Gardenstown, Gamrie, Banff, Scotland; d. 25 Jan 1919, Gardenstown, Gamrie, Banff, Scotland.
    12. v. WILLIAM WISEMAN, b. 30 Sep 1845, Gardenstown, Gamrie, Banff, Scotland; d. 04 Mar 1920, Gardenstown, Gamrie, Banff, Scotland.
    13. vi. JOHN WISEMAN, b. 04 May 1852, Gardenstown, Gamrie, Banff, Scotland.
    14. vii. SARAH WISEMAN, b. 26 Nov 1854, Gardenstown, Gamrie, Banff, Scotland.
    15. viii. ALEXANDER WISEMAN, b. 04 Jul 1860, Gardenstown, Gamrie, Banff, Scotland; d. 16 Mar 1933, Cairnblug, Inverallochy, Rathen, Aberdeen, Scotland.
    ix. JAMES WISEMAN, b. Abt. 1863, Gardenstown, Gamrie, Banff, Scotland; d. 24 Jan 1934, Gardenstown, Gamrie, Banff, Scotland; m. BARBARA ANN ANDERSON, 28 Sep 1888, Church of Scotland,Gardenstown, Gamrie, Banff, Scotland; b. 30 Nov 1863, Crovie, Gamrie, Banff, Scotland; d. Abt. 1940, Gardenstown, Gamrie, Banff, Scotland.

    More About JAMES WISEMAN:
    Cause of Death: Cerebal Hemmorage
    Occupation: Fisherman

    More About JAMES WISEMAN and BARBARA ANDERSON:
    Marriage: 28 Sep 1888, Church of Scotland,Gardenstown, Gamrie, Banff, Scotland

    Kind Regards,

    Been.

  3. #13
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    Hi Graham,
    (Continued from previous post: i.e. the part that is your family side, altogether it was too large to post on the forum, the information is of course much bigger)

    15. ALEXANDER4 WISEMAN (JOHN3, WILLIAM2, ALEXANDER1) was born 04 Jul 1860 in Gardenstown, Gamrie, Banff, Scotland, and died 16 Mar 1933 in Cairnblug, Inverallochy, Rathen, Aberdeen, Scotland. He married ELIZABETH MASSON 18 Sep 1885 in Church of Scotland, Gardentown, Gamrie, Banff, Scotland, daughter of JAMES MASSON and HELEN BUCHAN. She was born 07 Mar 1863 in Inverallochy, Rathen, Aberdeen, Scotland, and died 22 Aug 1951 in Aberdeen, Scotland.

    More About ALEXANDER WISEMAN:
    Cause of Death: Cerbebal Hemorage
    Occupation: Fisherman

    More About ELIZABETH MASSON:
    Date born 2: 07 Mar 1863
    Cause of Death: Decay of Nature

    More About ALEXANDER WISEMAN and ELIZABETH MASSON:
    Marriage: 18 Sep 1885, Church of Scotland, Gardentown, Gamrie, Banff, Scotland

    Children of ALEXANDER WISEMAN and ELIZABETH MASSON are:
    i. ELIZABETH MASSON5 WISEMAN (Source: gro image-Scotlandspeople Site.), b. 04 Jul 1886, Gardenstown, Gamrie, Banff, Scotland (Source: gro image-Scotlandspeople Site.); m. ALEXANDER HEPBURN (Source: gro image-Scotlandspeople Site.), 17 Dec 1909, Church of Scotland, Gardenstown, Gamrie, Banff, Scotland (Source: gro image-Scotlandspeople Site.); b. 20 Jun 1886, Gardenstown, Gamrie, Banff, Scotland (Source: gro image-Scotlandspeople Site.).

    More About ELIZABETH MASSON WISEMAN:
    Date born 2: Abt. 1886

    More About ALEXANDER HEPBURN and ELIZABETH WISEMAN:
    Marriage: 17 Dec 1909, Church of Scotland, Gardenstown, Gamrie, Banff, Scotland (Source: gro image-Scotlandspeople Site.)

    ii. ALEXANDER WISEMAN (Source: gro image-Scotlandspeople Site.), b. 11 Jul 1890, Gardenstown, Gamrie, banff, Scotland (Source: gro image-Scotlandspeople Site.).
    iii. ANNIE WEST WISEMAN, b. 22 May 1894, Gardenstown, Gamrie, banff, Scotland.
    iv. HELEN WISEMAN, b. 25 Dec 1897, Gardenstown, Gamrie, banff, Scotland.
    v. WILLIAM JOHN WISEMAN, b. 25 Dec 1901, Gardenstown, Gamrie, Banff, Scotland.

    Hope the info can help, many kind regards,

    Been.

  4. #14
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    Hi Brian,

    Was George Wiseman born on 25 Sep 1813?

    Vicki

  5. #15
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    Hi,
    I've finally tracked down the George Wiseman you speak off, he was b. 26/9/1813 d. 19/4/1889 (age 63).
    George married twice, first to Robina Craik who died 17/8/1855, Margaret Duncan was his second wife b. abt 1830 d. 20/8/1912 (age 80).
    If you are from the James Wiseman side, he was b. 9/2/1857 m. Margaret Elrick around 1895?
    One side of my fathers family comes from George Wiseman's sister Ann Wiseman m. James Watt (Tee-name Dutchie).
    Kind regards,
    Been.

  6. #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoWest View Post
    Hi, I am researching my family tree and have traced my ancestors back to Gardenstown (formerly known as Gamrie) in Banffshire, Scotland. My tree is full of West's, Watt's and Wiseman's, and some Wilson's, Sutherland's and Geddes. I would love to hear from anyone who may have links or information on these names in Gardenstown or Banffshire in general. Bit vague and a bit of a long shot I know, but I can give plenty more info to anyone who gets in touch. Thanks alot, Jo.
    Hi I believe I may be part of your lot.
    My family on my dad's side are all from crovie. If you have any info regarding Barbara Gatt's parents that would be great.
    Barbara Gatt 1850-1929 married to James Watt 1851-1948,

    Barbara's parents were James Gatt 1821-Jane Mckay 1824. (this is the line I'm tring to find)
    thank you
    olliepolly
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  7. #17
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    I have lots of ancestors in crovie banff, If I can help anyone feel free to ask.
    olliepolly
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  8. #18
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    Hello olliepolly
    My information copied from another has some detail on George Wiseman (age 63?) not quite correct but I can find no reason to disbelieve the remainder.
    I spent some more time looking at the bigger picture especially to do with your Barbara Gatt b.1 Apr 1850 m. (11 Dec 1875) James Watt b.16 Oct 1851 & could trace that Watt side back to John Watt m. Annie (Ann) Watt but never got any further back than James Gatt m. Jane McKay on the other side...
    However another two found attached to that Gatt family were:-
    (1) John Gatt b.19 Sep 1852 m. (abt 1875) Mary Elizabeth Wiseman b.23 Oct 1854.
    (2) Alexander Gatt b.13 Nov 1854 m. (29 Sep 1887) Margaret Jean Gatt b.27 Sep 1857.
    Any help?
    Been.

  9. #19
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    Thank You I need all the help I can get with the watts, at the moment i have 171 watts in my tree !!very confusing!! since they are all named after their fathers and mothers so all have same names!!....I have got stuck at the same point James gatt and jane mckay.

    Not sure if i have them all correct. think i may take them all off and put them
    on again.

    I cant seem to get anywhere with the other lot on my mums side of the family from lancashire.
    olliepolly

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    Just some Watt findings 'olliepolly' to see if they agree with your own or if you can supply any additions?

    John Watt b.13 Dec 1741 m. Annie (Ann) Watt b.abt 1737 d.20 Sep 1824

    (Son) William Watt b.1 Dec 1762 d.11 Dec 1842 m. (1 Jan 1790) Elspet Wiseman b.3 Sep 1770 d.12 Feb 1848 (parents James Wiseman m. Jean Wiseman)

    (Grandson) Alexander Watt b.29 Jun 1811 d.19 Sep 1879 m. (2 Mar 1837) Helen Watt b.15 Nov 1812 d.6 Mar 1895 (parents John Watt m. Helen Craik)

    (Great-grandson) James Watt b.16 Oct 1851 d.abt 1930 m. (11 Dec 1875) Barbara Gatt b.1 Apr 1850 d.7 Aug 1929 (parents James Gatt m. Jane McKay)

    Been

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