I am trying to trace my Lock(e) ancestors who were a Romany family that travelled through Shropshire, Staffordshire, Gloucestershire, Worcestershire, Herefordshire and Monmouthshire. The period I am interested in is 1800-1900.
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Thread: Lock(e)s
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11-02-2005, 10:23 AM #1carefulcarrieGuest
Lock(e)s
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11-02-2005, 11:32 AM #2Carrie MeertenGuestOriginally Posted by carefulcarrie
The more info you can supply when asking for help, the easier it is for someone to help you as we dont know any details on the person or people u r searching.
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11-02-2005, 12:43 PM #3carefulcarrieGuest
Re: Lock(e)s
Hi Meerten
Thank you for responding. My Lock(e)s seemed to settle in the Clun/Bishops Castle areas in the 1900s. I have found the following information:
Grandmother: Rose Amy Lock born approx 1910-14 in Abergavenny (siblings Daisy b. 1912 Richards Castle, Ludlow; Bella, Dolly, Violet, Jack (John), Harold and Benjamin).
Gt Grandmother: Sarah Jane Locke b. 1895 Homer, Wenlock, Shropshire - she married (not found) my gt Grandfather William Lock who I can find no information on. Sarah Jane's siblings were Phoebe b. 1898/9 Much Wenlock; Selina Mary b. 1900 Bridgnorth; Alice May b. 1904 Bridgnorth; Alice Eliza b. 7/10/1903 and William Hubert b. 2/3/1910 Churchstoke, Montgomeryshire (there are probably more siblings and I think there are two fathers Isaiah Lock and James Lock).
Gt gt Grandfather Isaiah Lock b. 1862 and christened in Adbaston, Staffs - he married (23/1/1893) Sarah Jane Clinton b. 1872 Dawley Green, Shropshire. However, she appeared in the 1901 Census as the wife of James Lock, b. c1865 Admaston, Shropshire. Isaiah had a brother John b. 1872 Hanley William, Worcestershire. I believe that he also had brothers James (above) and Bert b. 1876/7 Diddlesbury, Shropshire as well as a sister Sabra b. 1863 Eccleshall, Staffs.
Gt gt gt Grandfather Ezekiel Lock - married Amy Taylor.
All of the male members of the Locks (my gt Grandmother's line) that I have traced were travelling musicians (fiddlers). I cannot find out any information about my gt Grandfather William Lock other than he was a Hawker - I don't know which family of Locks he belonged to.
I hope that there is someone with some information about this difficult to trace family.
Regards
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12-02-2005, 1:47 PM #4Carrie MeertenGuest
Re: Lock(e)s
I have found some details on the 1901 census, all the birth places and ages match. James is listed as the father - maybe James is Isaiah's middle name. I find that a lot of mine use their middle names as first names and change again on the next census. This is a big possibility.
I was going to email you a copy of the original census but your email address is not available. It might be a good idea to select the option to show your email address so that people can email you direct upon the first search, otherwise we have to spend more time on your request by doing the search again after we have received your email.
please post reply with your email address and i will do a little more research on other census's for you.
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13-02-2005, 12:45 AM #5Carrie MeertenGuest
Re: Lock(e)s - 1901 census
I did a seach (1901 Census) of Phoebe Lock* (* being a wild card) and have emailed you the link to the original census.
Civil parish: Edgton
Ecclesiatical parish: Edgton St Michael
Town: Edgton
County/Island: Shropshire
Source information: RG13/2512
Registration district: Clun
Sub-registration district: Lydbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Folio: 31
Page: 2
Household schedule number: 9Last edited by meerten; 13-02-2005 at 12:49 AM. Reason: system glitch - jumbled text
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13-02-2005, 2:23 AM #6Carrie MeertenGuest
re: lock(e)s - Isaiah
Cannot find any Isaiah on the 1901 census. Chances are his other name is james. Whether James is his first name or middle name is something you are going to have to find out from a birth certificate.
I would recommend finding his birth to confirm his correct name before assuming there was 2 marriages.
Changing names on census' and age variations is a very common thing on the census.
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13-02-2005, 3:39 AM #7Carrie MeertenGuest
re: lock(e)s - other census'
have had a quick look for you on other census' but cant find anything.
It might pay you to sort out (update your info) from the census that I emailed you and place a new or several smaller posts for research.
Too much info in one post to try and sift through to find the correct person to search for. smaller info posts are easier to understand as we dont know about the family you are searching. only include necessary info about the person.
good luck in further searching
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13-02-2005, 4:28 AM #8carefulcarrieGuest
Re: Lock(e)s
Hi Meerten
Thank you for your help. I had not thought that Isaiah might be using a second name. I have spent a many, many hours trying to trace this family but I just meet a dead end at every turn. However, this is not really surprising considering that they were travellers. My mother was born into this culture but rejected it. Although I knew my grandparents I have never known anything about the Romanys or their lifestyle.
I have traced various Lock families through the Census records and have been amazed at how they change their birth dates as well as where they were born. It is very difficult to determine who they are.
I have found Isaiah's christening record but there is no corresponding birth record. This appears to be typical Romany behaviour - they did not notify births officially but would have a child baptised many times so that if that child got into trouble as an adult he (she) could avoid trouble by claiming to still be a minor according to their last christening record. Regarding Ezekiel, I don't know where to begin to find his details.
Once again, thank you for trying to help my quest.
Regards
Carolyn
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31-03-2005, 10:43 PM #9netsyGuest
Re Locke
I have just started researching my Locke ancestors. Matilda Locke of Alveley b 1855/6 was my gt grandmother. Her father was listed as Bofia Locke married to Sarah in the 1871 census but in 1881 his name was listed as Bofine and in 1891 as Beanjoy (the census page actually reads Beaufoy and has been mistranscribed). I believe this Locke family were Romany as we have always been aware we had Romany ancestors from the Wolverley area. My sister in law has found an Ezekiah Lock with date of christening/birth as 14/06/1812 in Cheswardine nr Newport, with brothers Noah 04/07/1824 Claverley nr Wolverley and Buz Lock 14/06/1812 Claverley - parents were Matthew Lock and Membrance Lock. Bofia was born in Claverley. Kidderminster Library holds some microfiche on Shropshire and this is where the info on Ezekiah came from. There is a useful website called Shropshire on line that holds all sorts of info. I suspect there is a link between my Locke family and yours.
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15-06-2005, 4:28 AM #10
email address in posting
Originally Posted by Carrie Meerten
By emailing someone direct with the information - thus bypassing the forum, other people are not going to know it has been done, and repeat the lookup. I had this happen on a mailing list I was on, there were only ever requests and barely ever an answer - because everyone was sending the results direct to the asker. I would receive six to ten answers to a simple question, coming in for days after the first result. One person told me this was because they didn't want people contacting them direct asking for lookups - so it works both ways.
Carolyn, I would suggest you go back to your post and remove your email address from the posting. This is for your own protection, as our postings do come up on search engines when you do searches, and you never know what email address harvester may be laying in wait. [Maybe I am just being paranoid? but the forum is set up to protect our email addresses for a reason]
ChristineR
AustraliaLast edited by ChristineR; 15-06-2005 at 4:30 AM. Reason: spelling
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