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    Hi All.

    I'm trying to trace information on my great great grandfather JOSEPH KORN.

    In 1911, I have him at The Stork Hotel at 43 Price Streer. Licen' Victualler with his wife Mary assisting.
    I think he died in 1915 at the age of 70 - I'm presuming in the Birkenhead area.

    Would anyone have any information on the pub ie was it owned by him or run by a brewery?
    Any idea's re burial?
    Any info' on his wife?

    As someone new to all of this any help would be really appreciated!!
    As an aside Joseph was a German national and his wife Mary was Irish.

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    The hotel, at 41 Price Street, Birkenhead is run by Threllfalls Brewery, and before that by the Birkenhead Brewery (Defunct).

    Try this
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    breweryhistory.com/Defunct/Pics/MerseyBirkenheadStork.htm

    Michael

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    Quote Originally Posted by deecee View Post
    I think he died in 1915 at the age of 70 - I'm presuming in the Birkenhead area
    The death record is Jun Qtr 1915 Birkenhead Reg District, GRO ref Vol 8a Page 651

    This won't tell you where he is buried, but the certificate may give you some additional info, unless you already have it.

    Michael

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    Threlfalls were taken over by Whitbread in 1967 and the livery shown in the pic is a survival - good to see if that is current! Whitbread has gone through many changes itself and may not now be the owner.
    If the pub still stands, why not get its number via Directory Enquiries and ring to find out the ownership?
    Daggers

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    Quote Originally Posted by deecee View Post
    Hi All.

    I'm trying to trace information on my great great grandfather JOSEPH KORN.

    In 1911, I have him at The Stork Hotel at 43 Price Streer. Licen' Victualler with his wife Mary assisting.

    Any info' on his wife?
    1901 census RG13; Piece: 3471; Folio: 181; Page: 17
    8 Clyde Street, Kirkdale, Liverpool

    Name transcribed as Karn / Kain
    Joseph Karn, head, married, age 56, Licensed Victualler, working at home, born Germany, British Subject, naturalised.
    Mary Karn, wife, married, age 50, born Ireland.
    Ethel Karn, daughter, single, age 19, born Liverpool
    Robert Davies, boarder, single, age 33, Barman, working at home, born Denbighshire
    Mary BLACK, Mother in Law, Widow, age 75, born Ireland
    Sarah McTavish, single, age 30, domestic Servant, b Liverpool

    As both Joseph and boarder Robert Davies "worked at home", it would appear that this address was a pub, but I don't know its name.
    Wife mary's maiden name was obviously BLACK.

    Michael

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    Same family, different wife in 1881



    1881 census RG11; Piece: 3650; Folio: 7; Page: 8

    77 Solway Street, Toxteath Park, Liverpool

    Joseph Korn, head, married, age 35, Publican, b Germany
    Elisabeth Korn. wife, married, age 35, b Liverpool
    (transcribed as) Ugnrta Korn, daur, age 15, b Liverpool (GRO reg says Antonetto Korn)
    Charles Korn, son, age 12, b Liverpool
    Elizabeth Korn, daur, age 10, b Liverpool
    Gertrude Korn, daur, age 7, b Liverpool
    Florence Korn, daur, age 5, b Liverpool
    Joseph Korn, son, age 2, b Liverpool
    Ethel Korn, daughter, age 6 mths, b Liverpool

    Michael

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    Can’t make sense of wife Mary’s mother’s name – in this one its Eliza Clark

    1891 census RG12; Piece: 2922; Folio 47; Page 44

    “The Globe”, 26a Wilton Street, Liverpool

    Joseph Korn, head, married, age 48, Licensed Victualler, born Germany
    Mary Korn, wife, married, age 38, b Ireland
    Lizzie Korn, daur, single, age 18, b Liverpool
    Gertrude Korn, daur, single, age 16, b Liverpool
    Florence Korn, daur, age 14, b Liverpool
    Joseph Korn, son, age 12, scholar, b Liverpool
    Ethel Korn, daur, age 11, scholar, b Liverpool
    Eliza CLARK, Mother in Law, widow, age 64, b Ireland

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    Had another look at the 1901 census and mother in law is written as Clark
    Last edited by michaelpipe; 14-01-2009 at 12:52 PM. Reason: addition

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    The pub at Clyde Street was on the corner of Beaumaris Street and was called the Albion in 1909, owned by Threlfalls and managed by Thomas Forsyth. I cannot find a pub in Wilton Street in the City of Liverpool Licensing Report Book, 1909.
    Daggers

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    Thanks so much for all of your help! It really is appreciated..there are so many stories about this guy "Joseph".
    I doubt I'll ever get to the bottom of it all.

    I don't know when he came to England...there are tales of various wives / girlfriends, freemasonary, bankruptcy.....life would be boring if it came easy though!!

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    Do you already have the marriage certificates for Joseph KORN? According to LancashireBMD he married Elizabeth McARDLE in 1865, Elizabeth JENKS in 1882 & Mary CLARK in 1890, all in Liverpool. The 1st marriage was at St Patrick's RC church. There is a possiblility that the church record may give his baptism parish, rather than his address at the time of marriage.

    My guess is that he could be related to Charles & Josepha KORN as they are the only other KORN family in Liverpool at that time, (born abt 1819 & 1829 in Germany, according to the 1861 census). They came to England between 1856 (birth of daughter Catherine in Germany) and 1859 (birth of son John Albert in Liverpool). Joseph named his 1st son Charles.

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