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  1. #1
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    Default surname interest frederick palmer from jamacia/liverpool

    Hello
    Í'm new to this group but am hoping it might provide some information about
    my great great grandfather, Frederick Palmer
    Most of the information I have is family folklore, which needs to be treated
    with some scepticism. Family folklore has it that he was a
    physician/surgeon and that he was a ships surgeon, and died at sea circa
    1837 in the Caribbean. We cant find any record of his death.
    Not only Frederick Palmer, but his son (my Gr greatfather) Arthur Wellington
    Palmer seem to have been somewhat elusive.
    Frederick Palmer seems to have been born circa 1800 in Liverpool,
    Lancashire. We cant find a birth for him, and not knowing his parents
    names doesnt help.
    The following is fact.
    Frederick Palmer married Harriet Denis Hensman on 17 September 1833
    in Liverpool. From the marriage details he is described as a widower,
    although extensive searches have found no marriage for him in England.
    They had a son, Arthur Wellington Palmer, who was baptised on 2 December
    1834 in Liverpool.
    Another son, Horatio Frederick Palmer was also born circa 1836 - birthplace
    unsure. One source has it as Brooklyn New York, en route to Jamaica,
    another source says Jamaica.
    Now.....through the Jamaica Family Search site I have found a Frederick
    Palmer marrying a Sussanah Yates in 1826 in Kingston. I cant find any death
    of Sussanah, but it would give credence to Frederick's claim as a widower on
    his marriage to Harriet.
    Through the same site I can find a Frederick Palmer in 1831 and 1832
    Almanacs as a planter (is he MY Frederick Palmer?)

    In 1834 I have a newspaper report of Frederick Palmer, formerly of Rosanna
    Mount, in the parish of Port Royal, Planter and Practitioner in Physic and
    Surgery, then of ......(numerous Liverpool addresses)....in the insolvency
    courts In Liverpool

    I have Harriet Palmer (named as widow of the late Dr Frederick Palmer)
    advertising in the Liverpool Mercury in 1839 as opening a school for ladies.
    (Family folklore says she did in fact teach young ladies)

    Family folklore also says that Frederick died in or around Jamaica and was
    'well off'. Unfortunatly Frederick had left his affairs with a trusted
    friend who absconded with the lot and left Harriet destitute. Somehow she
    managed to get herself and her two young sons back to Liverpool where she
    took up teaching as a living.

    Frederick has proved very elusive (as has his son Arthur Wellington Palmer)
    I know some about Arthur Wellington Palmers life but cant find his death
    (althought I think possibly in Australia) Even his son, my great
    grandfather, Arthur Stanley Palmer has secrets. I have three possible
    birthplaces for Arthur Stanley, but cannot confirm or deny any.

    If anyone has any clues, I would so love to hear from you.

    Kind regards
    Paula Wells

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    Some of your Family folklore seems to be accurate.
    1841 census HO107/561/21 folio 12 page 16, 29 Bedford Street North, Liverpool, Lancashire
    Harriett PALMER 30 Teacher
    Arthur PALMER 6
    Horatio PALMER 5
    All born in Lancashire. Also in the house are 2 teachers, a medical student & 2 servants.

    1851 census HO107/2175 folio 797 page 46, Old Chester Road, Tranmere, Cheshire (just a ferry ride across the River Mersey from Liverpool)
    Harriett STRAKER, head, wid, 40, Teacher (private), Liverpool
    Arthur W. PALMER, son, Unm, General merchant's clerk, Liverpool
    Horatio F. PALMER, son, 14, Broker's clerk, America, British subject
    Eve STRAKER, dau, 6, scholar, Liverpool
    Clara Mary STRAKER, dau, 3, scholar (at home), Cheshire, Rock Ferry
    Mary HENSMAN, mother, wid, 70, Annuitant, Hunts. Huntingdon
    Alice McDONALD, serv, U, 20, General servant, Ireland

    Harriett D. HENSMAN/PALMER married John C. STRAKER in 1844 in Liverpool. ( www.lancashirebmd.org.uk )

    Intriguingly, I found these entries in the New South Wales & Tasmania covict records:
    Frederick PALMER convicted 11 May 1835, went to New South Wales on the Royal Soverign, arriving in 1835.
    Frederick Palmer HULME, arrived on the Royal Sovereign in 1835, life sentence, pardoned 1846 - 1849.

    Could he be yours?

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    Hello Paula

    I too am looking for information about my Great great grandfather, Arthur Wellington Palmer and wondered if you have been able to find any other information and confirm any of the family folk lore.

    The transcription of the church marriage registers that are in the Christchurch Library (NZ) records the birth place of Arthur Stanley Palmer as being on 1 December 1867 in Sydney, NSW, Australia.

    Your post was some years ago now but if you are still following the site, I would love to hear from you.

    Kind regards
    Lynn

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    Hi Lynn
    Delighted to hear from you! Another rellie!! I am fascinated that you have a birth registration for Arthur Stanley Palmer. That has always been a mystery regards where he was born. Over the years I've done a lot of research into the Palmers, I have found quite a lot about Frederick Palmer, and also Arthur Wellington Palmer ( I have to say he seems a bit 'dodgy') There is family folklore that we have disproved. For years no one seemed to know what happened to Arthur Wellington Palmer, but I know now that he died in Australia in 1893, and was buried in an unmarked, maybe paupers grave (have copy of death registration). There is not a lot I can send you tonight (very tired) but hopefully at the weekend I can send you what I have.
    Best regards
    Paula
    BTW my email is paula_wellsATxtraDOTco.nz
    I am a grand daughter of Stanley Keith Palmer...where do you fit in?
    Last edited by christanel; 05-10-2016 at 7:31 PM. Reason: email address disguised to deter spam

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    Name: Arth Dennys Palner
    Birth Year: abt 1834
    Age: 59
    Death Place: Brighton, Victoria
    Mother's name: Hart Hensman
    Registration Year: 1893
    Registration Place: Victoria
    Registration Number: 8950

    The Baptism carry's the name Harrriett DENNIS

    Hart could be Harriett

    Henson mother's maiden name.....

    Arthur & Horatio are listed on this ship's manifest

    Name: Arthur Palmier
    Estimated birth year: abt 1836
    Age: 16
    Arrival Date: 15 Nov 1852

    Name: Arthur Palmer
    Arrival Port: Port Phillip Bay, Australia
    Departure Port: Liverpool
    Ship: Rip Van Winkle
    Nationality: English

    Name:
    Arthur Palmer
    Port of Departure:
    Melbourne
    Port of Arrival:
    Sydney, New South Wales
    Voyage Arrival Date:
    16 Jun 1871
    Vessel Name:
    Blackbird

    AWP appears to have married twice

    1)Arthur Wellington Palmer
    Spouse Name: Eliza Dodd
    Marriage Place: Victoria
    Registration Place: Victoria
    Registration Year: 1857
    Registration Number: 3882

    Issue Name: Annie Florence Palmer
    Birth Date: Abt 1860
    Birth Place:Richmond, Victoria
    Registration Year: 1860
    Registration Place: Victoria, Australia
    Father: Athur Welling Palmer
    Mother: Iliza Dodd
    Registration Number: 7059

    2) Name: Arthur Palmer
    Gender: Male
    Marriage Year: 1883
    Relation: Bridegroom
    Spouse: Victorine Goddard
    Folio Number: 2828

    NB
    Frederick PALMER & Harriett Dennis HENSMAN were married by Licence ( not Banns) you need to obtain a copy of the marriage Licence to see what add'l information is given.

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    #5 the marriage licence is on FMP the site t & c prevent me from giving them to you! More to the point I cannot read them on my mobile

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    Parent search of familysearch.org


    Frederick Augustus Palmer
    Jamaica, Church of England Parish Register Transcripts, 1664-1880
    christening:
    7 February 1828
    Port Royal, Jamaica
    father: Frederick Palmer
    mother: Susannah Palmer

    1851 UK Census HO107; Piece: 2175; Folio: 891; Page: 49

    Charles Yates Palmer
    Jamaica, Church of England Parish Register Transcripts, 1664-1880
    christening:
    1 January 1832
    Port Royal, Jamaica
    father: Frederick Palmer
    mother: Susanna

    May e you need to look at Liverpool trade directory and the medical register to see if you can establish more facts about Frederick

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    https://www.jamaicanfamilysearch.com/Members/r3n-p.htm

    This marriage is also by Licence

    Marriage: June 29, 1826, Port Royal (Source: B0085 Port Royal Parish Register BMB I & II, 1725-1835, I, p. 302.)

    If you haven't looked at the original documentation I would recommend that you source it.

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