We are also of "black Irish" descent (as yet unproven (if ever!)) from county Cork (This is proven). We have redheads and those of Spanish appearance in siblings in many generations on my mother's line - so much so that when my great-aunt went on a holiday to Argentina the locals were a little annoyed that she wouldn't respond to them as they found it difficult to believe that she couldn't understand them.
TomBradley: Is this report available online?
Jane
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27-09-2009, 9:50 PM #11spisonGuest
Last edited by spison; 27-09-2009 at 9:54 PM. Reason: Asked the question
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27-09-2009, 11:27 PM #12TomBradleyGuest
Black Irish Study
Dear Jane,
On the assumption you are asking me if the study is available, go to:
https://www.gen.tcd.ie/molpopgen/resources.php
or simply look up Dr. Dan Bradley in Google something like "Black Irish - Spanish influence in Ireland." Feel free to sontact me directly.
Tom BradleyLast edited by Geoffers; 28-09-2009 at 7:36 AM. Reason: removal of e-mail address
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28-09-2009, 12:31 AM #13CarmyGuest
Fascinating! I agree -- it is unlikely that there was a Celtic invasion 2,500 years ago. Were that the case, we'd all be speaking the same Celtic language, surely, so this goes part way to explain the difference in P-Celtic and Q-Celtic languages. In Ireland and Scotland, the language is Gaelic (Q-Celtic), different from the Brythonic (P-Celtic) spoken in Cornwall, Devon, Brittany and Wales. It probably explains why sentence structure in Spanish is the same as in P-Celtic. It may also be the same in Q-Celtic, but I don't speak Gaelic so I can't tell.
The map of contours linking different countries around the Atlantic is also interesting. The course "touches on" Wales. Is this why so many Welsh people along the eastern coast of Wales are dark? I always assumed it was because of the Roman influence, which was heaviest in that region. To the west and inland, there are far more fair-haired and blue-eyed people.
My husband was of Irish-Spanish descent. His surname began with D' . He turned so dark in summer that someone at a regatta in Bristol shouted "Bl**dy P*k*. Go back to your own country."
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28-09-2009, 5:41 AM #14Mary S (WA)Guest
Spanish Blood in Irish - muchas forte!
Great to read all these comments from the intitial enquiry.
The connection between Ireland and Spain has always intrigued me. I have not yet been able to find out anything concerning another story about Jews expelled from Spain (some of whom may have escaped to Ireland) and also the ties formed through trade with Spaniards from the region near Cape Finisterre.
The genetic aspect is strong. My dad had dark brown hair & eyes. In an early photo his father looks even darker. I have never seen a photo of my grandmother (from Kinsale) so I have no idea what her complexion was like. Her family probably originated even further southwest as Harrington is a very common name in that region and they may also have had Spanish blood in their DNA.
My mum (Irish father, Scottish mother) and her 3 brothers all had red hair, fair skin, freckles and blue eyes. I ended up with dad's darker complexion and eyes and so have all our 5 children. My husband has green eyes. His parents both come from Korcula Croatia yet his brother, who married a dark haired girl from the same island, has 3 children with fair hair, blue eyes and fair skin. The cousins with 'the Pommy mum' always looked several shades darker than their cousins who had both parents with a mediterranean background. Out of the 4 grandparents only my dad had brown eyes. Yet the dark (what I think of as the 'Spanish gene') dominated with three of our our 5 children looking distinctly Spanish.
It's very interesting to see. Before I knew anything about this I had always felt an affinity for Spain and a keen desire to learn to speak Spanish. Surely that couldn't last for an ice age &/or 2500 years!!!
Anyone else out there with a similar experience?
Cheers Mary SLast edited by Mary S (WA); 28-09-2009 at 5:48 AM. Reason: typing errors
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28-09-2009, 6:27 AM #15JAP1Guest
Well Mary, no doubt one day we'll just be able to take a mouth swab, feed it into a machine, and learn where all our ancestry came from!
My Irish ancestry is from Co Mayo (BURKE & RAFFERTY) and Co Galway (STAUNTON & O'DONOGHUE). I have fair hair and blue eyes! My late sister had red hair and blue eyes (as did my late mother).
It's all very interesting.
JAP
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28-09-2009, 10:48 PM #16scousecanGuest
That's fascinating to learn about the similarities in sentence structure Carmy! Thanks for sharing that!
Now about your husband... Omg! I hope he took it well. Some people have no manners! Mine has the same problem. His kin are both from co Longford and he tans so darkly in the summer that his friends tease him that he must have Native blood in him. But we know better!
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28-09-2009, 10:53 PM #17scousecanGuest
I also wanted to learn Spanish but attributed that to being half French. I felt I had a leg up since the vocabularies are quite similar.
I had a weirder experience. I have always had an affinity for ships and pirating. So if past lives exist-guess where I was! I must admit that as a female, this is somewhat unusual. Adventurous, but unusual!
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29-09-2009, 12:28 AM #18spisonGuest
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29-09-2009, 12:46 AM #19CarmyGuest
You're welcome, Scouscan. I studied Spanish a few years ago, that's how I came to recognise the sentence structure.
My husband's family all came from Bristol so you can imagine his reaction when he was called something not nice. He had an Irish temper on him.
There were quite a few female pirates, and they were said to be deadlier than the males, so you could well have been one in an earlier life. Wouldn't it be great to have a time machine?
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30-09-2009, 1:22 AM #20Mary S (WA)Guest
Bradley
Where do your Bradley ancestors originate?
Mine are from the wild and woolly west coast of Mayo. They all fled to what they hoped would be better pastures in USA (Philadelphia & Cleveland I know of) to Lancashire in UK and even to Australia - not that I have come across any here.
Cheers to all bearers of the Bradley handle!
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