In my tree I have an Elizabeth Ellen OWEN 1894 - 1964 of Liverpool
Parents are
Catherine (1847 of Lanpenthen Anglesey)
Rowland Owens (1847 of Caemas Anglesey)
1901 England census finds the family at
Wellington Road - Toxteth
Rowland Owen - 54 - head
Catherine - 54 - wife
John W Owen - 19 - son
Elizabeth - 15 - daut.
Jone Hughes - 30 - ??
Hugh Donakey - 16 - lodger
William Cleary - 56 - lodger
then the 1891
Wellington Road - Toxteth
Rowland Owen
Catherine - 42
John W - 9
Elizabeth Ellen - 5
Samuel Beaton - 45 - visitor (Scotland)
Hugh Donakey - 6 - lodger (?)
Bell Glenville - 2 - visitor
Margaret Glenville - 42 - visitor (Wales)
Owen Parry - 17 - lodger
Elizabeth A Pritchard - 22 - Neice
Hugh Pritchard - 20 - lodger
Hugh Williams - 23 - lodger
They are harder to trace before that - but have narrowed them down.
But 1851 WALES
Rowland I think I may have found age 3 living in Llanbedrig - Grandfathers - Owen JONES (61)
Mother is Eleanor OWENS - also at property several children listed as being grandchildren.
No father figure apparent.
1841 WALES
Owen JONES age 50 living with Elizabeth JANES (60) and Elizabeth JONES (75)
Phew!! Its a hard slog - I think this is the same Owen JONES of 1851 WALES
Now got to try to find Eleanor (JONES?).
Can anyone shed any light on this or claim any of the people for their own?
Heres hoping.
Sonja
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25-12-2007, 11:47 PM #1sonjabukGuest
Elizabeth Ellen OWEN of Liverpool
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26-12-2007, 12:26 PM #2WirralGuest
Hi Sonja
I was going to look back at the censuses, then realised that you give Elizabeth Ellen OWEN's year of birth as 1894, but in the 1901 & 1891 censuses her year of birth is 1886. Is 1894 just a typo? As you do not give the maiden name of Catherine, I am guessing that you do not have a copy of Elizabeth Ellen's birth certificate yet. Do you have a copy of her marriage certificate?
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26-12-2007, 3:48 PM #3giveoverGuest
Elizabeth Ellen Owen
Hi Sonja,
I found a Rowland and Catherine in 1881 England
ClassRG11 piece 3678 Folio 20 page 33
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Rowland 1871 Wales
ClassRG10 piece5726 folio 74 page 23
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Rowland 1861 Wales ( Owens )
RG9 piece 4349 folio 13 page 23
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Rowland 1851 Wales
HO107 piece 2517 folio 47 page 29
I think these fit with your Elizabeth Ellen
Best wishes
Giveover
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26-12-2007, 5:51 PM #4sonjabukGuest
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29-12-2007, 12:53 AM #5WirralGuest
From www.lancashirebmd.org.uk :
Rowland OWEN married Catherine WILLIAMS 1871 St David's, Liverpool.
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29-12-2007, 9:26 PM #6sonjabukGuest
Thank you Wirral
Was just going to post about this - can go one better now - I am in possession of the ORIGINAL marriage certificate, been to my Dads today and we found that as well as some other superb stuff!!
Sonja
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29-12-2007, 11:07 PM #7WirralGuest
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29-12-2007, 11:21 PM #8sonjabukGuest
Got to cross check it with the census yet. But here are the details
St Davids Church Liverpool (Lancaster Dio)
Rowland Owen - father - Owen Owens (Ship carpenter)
Catherine Williams - father - John Williams - farmer
Both ages given as full (as far as I can tell)
Witnessed by
Robert Jones
Annie Owen (sister maybe?)
Sonja
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29-12-2007, 11:38 PM #9WirralGuest
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30-12-2007, 12:24 AM #10WirralGuest
1851 census HO107/2522 folio 298 page 9, Tan pryn, Llanfaethly, Anglesey, Wales
John WILLIAMS, head, Mar, 36, Farmer of 28 acres 1 man, Anglesey Llanfaylog
Elizabeth ", wife, Mar, 28, Farmer's wife, Anglesey Llanbeylan
Elizabeth ", dau, 6, Anglesey Llanfaethly
Catherine ", dau, 4, Anglesey Llanfaethly
Griffith ", serv, 67, Labourer, Anglesey Llanhyddlad
Jane HUGHES, sev, 21, Servant in the house, Anglesey Llanfaethly
Evan WILLIAMS, visitor, 18, Labourer, Anglesey Llanfaelog
The spelling of Llanfaethly seems to vary, ending in y, u or e.
The name of the farm is Tan-y-bryn, Llanfaethlu. You can see it on an old map at www.old-maps.co.ukLast edited by Wirral; 30-12-2007 at 12:42 AM. Reason: placenames edited
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