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  1. #1
    sonjabuk
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    Default Elizabeth Ellen OWEN of Liverpool

    In my tree I have an Elizabeth Ellen OWEN 1894 - 1964 of Liverpool

    Parents are

    Catherine (1847 of Lanpenthen Anglesey)
    Rowland Owens (1847 of Caemas Anglesey)

    1901 England census finds the family at

    Wellington Road - Toxteth

    Rowland Owen - 54 - head
    Catherine - 54 - wife
    John W Owen - 19 - son
    Elizabeth - 15 - daut.
    Jone Hughes - 30 - ??
    Hugh Donakey - 16 - lodger
    William Cleary - 56 - lodger

    then the 1891

    Wellington Road - Toxteth

    Rowland Owen
    Catherine - 42
    John W - 9
    Elizabeth Ellen - 5
    Samuel Beaton - 45 - visitor (Scotland)
    Hugh Donakey - 6 - lodger (?)
    Bell Glenville - 2 - visitor
    Margaret Glenville - 42 - visitor (Wales)
    Owen Parry - 17 - lodger
    Elizabeth A Pritchard - 22 - Neice
    Hugh Pritchard - 20 - lodger
    Hugh Williams - 23 - lodger

    They are harder to trace before that - but have narrowed them down.

    But 1851 WALES

    Rowland I think I may have found age 3 living in Llanbedrig - Grandfathers - Owen JONES (61)
    Mother is Eleanor OWENS - also at property several children listed as being grandchildren.

    No father figure apparent.

    1841 WALES

    Owen JONES age 50 living with Elizabeth JANES (60) and Elizabeth JONES (75)

    Phew!! Its a hard slog - I think this is the same Owen JONES of 1851 WALES
    Now got to try to find Eleanor (JONES?).

    Can anyone shed any light on this or claim any of the people for their own?

    Heres hoping.

    Sonja

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    Wirral
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    Quote Originally Posted by sonjabuk View Post
    In my tree I have an Elizabeth Ellen OWEN 1894 - 1964 of Liverpool

    Parents are

    Catherine (1847 of Lanpenthen Anglesey)
    Rowland Owens (1847 of Caemas Anglesey)

    1901 England census finds the family at

    Wellington Road - Toxteth

    Rowland Owen - 54 - head
    Catherine - 54 - wife
    John W Owen - 19 - son
    Elizabeth - 15 - daut.
    Jone Hughes - 30 - ??
    Hugh Donakey - 16 - lodger
    William Cleary - 56 - lodger
    Hi Sonja
    I was going to look back at the censuses, then realised that you give Elizabeth Ellen OWEN's year of birth as 1894, but in the 1901 & 1891 censuses her year of birth is 1886. Is 1894 just a typo? As you do not give the maiden name of Catherine, I am guessing that you do not have a copy of Elizabeth Ellen's birth certificate yet. Do you have a copy of her marriage certificate?

  3. #3
    giveover
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    Smile Elizabeth Ellen Owen

    Hi Sonja,

    I found a Rowland and Catherine in 1881 England

    ClassRG11 piece 3678 Folio 20 page 33

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    Rowland 1871 Wales

    ClassRG10 piece5726 folio 74 page 23

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    Rowland 1861 Wales ( Owens )

    RG9 piece 4349 folio 13 page 23


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    Rowland 1851 Wales

    HO107 piece 2517 folio 47 page 29


    I think these fit with your Elizabeth Ellen

    Best wishes
    Giveover

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    sonjabuk
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wirral View Post
    Hi Sonja
    I was going to look back at the censuses, then realised that you give Elizabeth Ellen OWEN's year of birth as 1894, but in the 1901 & 1891 censuses her year of birth is 1886. Is 1894 just a typo? As you do not give the maiden name of Catherine, I am guessing that you do not have a copy of Elizabeth Ellen's birth certificate yet. Do you have a copy of her marriage certificate?
    Thank you for taking the time to reply.

    1894 was an estimate on my fathers behalf - so 1886 MAY be possible.
    I have her marriage cert - in 1913 she gave her ages as being 27 and her Father was definately Rowland Owen.

    Sonja

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    Wirral
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    From www.lancashirebmd.org.uk :
    Rowland OWEN married Catherine WILLIAMS 1871 St David's, Liverpool.

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    sonjabuk
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    Thank you Wirral

    Was just going to post about this - can go one better now - I am in possession of the ORIGINAL marriage certificate, been to my Dads today and we found that as well as some other superb stuff!!

    Sonja

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    Wirral
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    Quote Originally Posted by sonjabuk View Post
    Thank you Wirral

    Was just going to post about this - can go one better now - I am in possession of the ORIGINAL marriage certificate, been to my Dads today and we found that as well as some other superb stuff!!

    Sonja
    Great! What were the names & occupations of the fathers? Do they agree with the censuses? Although OWEN/S is common, there aren't many Rowlands about.

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    sonjabuk
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    Got to cross check it with the census yet. But here are the details

    St Davids Church Liverpool (Lancaster Dio)

    Rowland Owen - father - Owen Owens (Ship carpenter)
    Catherine Williams - father - John Williams - farmer

    Both ages given as full (as far as I can tell)

    Witnessed by

    Robert Jones
    Annie Owen (sister maybe?)

    Sonja

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    Wirral
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    Quote Originally Posted by sonjabuk View Post
    Parents are

    Catherine (1847 of Lanpenthen Anglesey)
    Rowland Owens (1847 of Caemas Anglesey)
    I think this place is Llanfaethlu, about 6 miles NE from Holyhead on the A5025. About 5 miles further along the same road is Caemas.

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    Wirral
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    1851 census HO107/2522 folio 298 page 9, Tan pryn, Llanfaethly, Anglesey, Wales
    John WILLIAMS, head, Mar, 36, Farmer of 28 acres 1 man, Anglesey Llanfaylog
    Elizabeth ", wife, Mar, 28, Farmer's wife, Anglesey Llanbeylan
    Elizabeth ", dau, 6, Anglesey Llanfaethly
    Catherine ", dau, 4, Anglesey Llanfaethly
    Griffith ", serv, 67, Labourer, Anglesey Llanhyddlad
    Jane HUGHES, sev, 21, Servant in the house, Anglesey Llanfaethly
    Evan WILLIAMS, visitor, 18, Labourer, Anglesey Llanfaelog

    The spelling of Llanfaethly seems to vary, ending in y, u or e.

    The name of the farm is Tan-y-bryn, Llanfaethlu. You can see it on an old map at www.old-maps.co.uk
    Last edited by Wirral; 30-12-2007 at 12:42 AM. Reason: placenames edited

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