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    Default James William Firman - Alice Brackenbury

    Hello all,

    I am hoping very much to find a record of a marriage that took place in (we believe) February of 1903.

    There is a James William Firman as showing married in the first quarter of 1903 in Nottingham, in "Vol 7"

    Groom's name was James William Firman (born 20/21.JAN.1879 in Nottingham, Nottinghamshire)

    Bride's name was Alice Brackenbury (born 13.OCT.1875 in Horbling, Lincolnshire).

    Also would love to confirm a birth of an Alice May Firman/Brackenbury, born 29.OCT.1904, most likely in Nottingham) She was the daughter of Alice, but we suspect not the daughter of James.


    ANY help or direction would be most appreciated!!!!

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    The scans of the GRO Index are free to view on Ancestry.

    There is an Alice May Brackenbury born Dec Q 1904 in St Georges, Hanover Square (London)

    Paul

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    Thanks Paul,

    Unfortunately, that's not her. The birth date and place are definately known - in Horbling, the Brackenbury family owned and opperated the Plough Inn, which still stands today.

    Kavik

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kavik
    Unfortunately, that's not her. The birth date and place are definately known
    I wouldn't be so quick to write that one off if I were you. You can only "definitely know" that her birthplace was Notts when you've located a birth certificate or some other proof. Ancestors had a habit of not being born, marrying or dying in the right place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Marshall

    There is an Alice May Brackenbury born Dec Q 1904 in St Georges, Hanover Square (London)
    I should have said that her birth was registered in London

    Paul

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    True - I agree and have found many "discrepancies" over the course of my research, but this one here is also backed up by census records here in the US as well as immigration records. I'm pretty confident that the birthdate is correct.

    Would anyone know the name (and possibly the e-mail address) of the local Anglican/Episcopal church in Nottingham? Or perhaps I'd have better luck with the deanery?

    I have just come across another US census record which seems to confirm a 1903 marriage.

    Thanks again!

    Kavik

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Marshall
    I should have said that her birth was registered in London

    Paul
    I was referring to Alice May - the daughter.
    She is the only Alice Brackenbury registered in the December Quarter of 1904, there are no Alice Firmans.
    December Quarter means the months October-November-December, the Index doesn't record the exact date of birth.
    She could have been born in Nottingham and the birth registered in London, I think the time limit for registering a birth was 41 days.

    Paul
    Last edited by Paul Marshall; 30-11-2006 at 10:02 PM.

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    Kavik,

    This is Alice May's birth reference

    Births Dec 1904
    Brackenbury Alice May
    St Geo H Sq 1a 424

    The birth certificate will show her place of birth and mother's name and place of birth, and possibly the father, although if she wasn't married that's unlikely.
    The only way is to order the certificate, unfortunately, from

    http://www.gro.gov.uk



    This is the marriage you found in 1903

    Marriages Mar 1903
    Firman James William
    Pole Alice Elizabeth
    Truman Thomas Valentine
    Woodhouse Gertrude Sarah
    Nottingham 7b 450

    ie J W Firman married either Alice Pole or Gertrude Woodhouse
    There is no Alice Brackenbury married in that quarter

    Paul

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    Kavik,

    I've only just seen your previous thread, sorry if I'm repeating information you have already

    http://www.familysearch.org

    In the IGI there is

    Alice Brackenbury
    Christening: 07 JAN 1876 Horbling, Lincoln, England
    Father: Hubert Brackenbury
    Mother: Sophia

    Richard Taylor Brackenbury
    Christening: 23 FEB 1873 Horbling, Lincoln, England
    Father: Hubert Brackenbury
    Mother: Dorothy Sophia

    Elisabeth Florence Brackenbury
    Christening: 13 APR 1879 Horbling, Lincoln, England
    Father: Hubert Brackenbury
    Mother: Sophia

    Mary May Brackenbury
    Christening: 10 MAY 1874 Horbling, Lincoln, England
    Father: Hubert Brackenbury
    Mother: Dorothy Sophia

    Batch No. C011163

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    The marriage which Janet found ...

    Mar 1872
    Brackenbury Hubert
    Short Dorothy Sophia
    Marylebone 1a 751

    This would tie in with the birth of eldest son Richard

    There seems to be a connection here, Marylebone and St Georges Hanover Square being about half a mile apart .... So Alice could have been in London at the time of her giving birth to Alice May in October 1904 ?

    Have you found any thing further ?

    Paul

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