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  1. #1
    angidon
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    Question Looking for information on any Simnitt that may be in the area.

    I have currently picked up my grandfarthers work on our family tree, we have traced back his mother's side of the family to Nottingham. Her father and grandfather were both born there. Her father was Josphe Simnitt, was born in August 3, 1866 0r 67, and her Grandfather Thomas Bartholomew Simnitt,I don't have a date or year, I am thinking he was born between 1840 -1845. If anyone could help me to further my search I would greatly apprecieated.

    Thank you and Respectfully
    Angi Don Lassiter

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    Cary Christopher
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    Do you know her mother's name? And do you mean her father was "Joseph"?

    Thanks!

    Cary C.

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    Cary Christopher
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    I know that the information I am about to provide has little or nothing to do with the English part of your family history. However, it is critical to providing a basis for the hours of research I've spent on your family today.

    Your Simnitt family history has proven to be very interesting. In order to get a firm understanding of your ancestry, I went back and located your family in the US 1880-1930 censuses. Found them in Payne County, Oklahoma, then back to Washington County, Kansas, and finally to Riley County, Kansas. Had a very clear picture of who I was looking for:

    1880 US Census, Kansas
    Riley County, Swede Creek
    District 259, page 14

    Simnitt, Thomas Head (of household) Male, married, 60, farmer, born England, parents born in England
    " , Emma Wife Female, married, 47, born England, parents born in England
    " , Rose Daughter Female, single, 15, born England, parents born in England
    " , Feargus Son Male, single, 12, born England, parents born in England
    " , Ernest Son Male, single, 10, born England, parents born in England
    " , Linney Son Male, single, 7, born Kansas, parents born in England
    " , Amos Son Male, single, 4, born Kansas, parents born in England

    Next door:
    Simnitt, John Head Male, married, 25, farmer, born England, parents born in England
    " , Leon Wife Female, married, 14, born Indiana

    Found Emily Simnitt working as a servant girl in Waterville, Marshall County, Kansas; couldn't find your family in the US 1880-1930 censuses. Found them in Payne County, Oklahoma, then back to Washington County, Kansas, and finally to Riley County, Kansas. Had a very clear picture of who I was looking for:

    1880 US Census, Kansas
    Riley County, Swede Creek
    District 259, page 14

    Simnitt, Thomas Head (of household) Male, married, 60, farmer, born England, parents born in England
    " , Emma Wife Female, married, 47, born England, parents born in England
    " , Rose Daughter Female, single, 15, born England, parents born in England
    " , Feargus Son Male, single, 12, born England, parents born in England
    " , Ernest Son Male, single, 10, born England, parents born in England
    " , Linney Son Male, single, 7, born Kansas, parents born in England
    " , Amos Son Male, single, 4, born Kansas, parents born in England

    Next door:
    Simnitt, John Head Male, married, 25, farmer, born England, parents born in England
    " , Leon Wife Female, married, 14, born Indiana

    Found Emily Simnitt working as a servant girl in Waterville, Marshall County, Kansas; couldn't find your Joseph in the 1880 census, but he appears in the 1900 census:

    1900 US Census, Kansas
    Washington County, Washington
    District 146, page 36

    Simnitt, Joseph G. Head Male, married, born August 1867, age 32, married 8 years, born England, parents born in England, immigrated to US 1873, (occupation) farmer
    " , Etta M. Wife Female, married, born June 1870, age 29, mother of 3 children, all living, born Missouri, father born PA, mother VA
    " , Virginia M. Daughter Female, single, born October 1892, age 7, born Kansas, father born England, mother Missouri
    " , Laura B. Daughter Female, single, born August 1894, age 5, born Kansas, father born England, mother Missouri
    " , W. Orval Son Male, single, born June 1898, age 1, born Kansas, father born England, mother Missouri

    I also found a couple family members in the World War I Draft Registration index:

    William Orival Dewey Simnitt, born 24 June 1898, registered for draft at Yale, Payne County, Oklahoma

    Linney Mazena Simnitt, born 19 April 1873, registered for draft in Payne County.

    My next message will have the research I have completed on your family in English records.

    Cary C.

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    Cary Christopher
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    Then I got started in British records trying to find the family and I was really stumped. You mentioned the family came from Nottingham but I couldn't find birth registrations for any of the children of Thomas B. and Emma Sinmitt and I couldn't figure out why. Spent several hours trying to find the children in the censuses but no luck. Tried the soundex search function, no luck. Tried looking up every child in England named Fergus/Feargus, Ernest, Joseph, Rose that had a father named Thomas but I didn't have any kind of luck. Until I tried looking up the children under the mother's first name of Emma. Here's what I found in the 1871 census:

    1871 England census
    Nottingham, Newark
    District 2, page 24
    Address: 2 May's Yard

    Thomas Simnitt Head Unmarried 51 Pipemaker (born) Notts. (Nottingham) Newark
    Emma Wright Lodger Unmarried 38 Housekeeper (born) Notts. Newark
    Thomas Wright Son 16 Lab. at Cake Mill (born) Notts. Newark
    Walter Wright Son 12 Scholar (student) (born) Notts. Newark
    Clara A. Wright Daughter 10 Scholar (born) Notts. Newark
    Rose M. Wright Daughter 6 Scholar (born) Notts. Newark
    Emily Wright Daughter 7 Scholar (born) Notts. Newark
    Joseph G. Wright Son 4 Scholar (born) Notts. Newark
    Feargus L. Wright Son 3 (born) Notts. Newark
    Ernest E. Wright Son 11 mo. (born) Notts. Newark

    So I assumed at first that Thomas Simnitt took in Emma Wright and her 8 children to care for them. But I was confused why she was listed as "unmarried" in the 1871 census instead of "widow". Then I found the 1861 census in Newark:

    1861 England census
    Nottinghamshire, Newark
    District 2, page 11
    Address: 26 Albion Street

    Emma Wright Head Unmarried 27 Clothes Process/dealer (born) Nottinghamshire, Newark
    John Thomas Wright Son 6 Scholar (born) Ditto, ditto
    George W. Wright Son 2 Ditto (born) Ditto, ditto
    Clara A. Wright Daughter 2 mo (born) Ditto, ditto

    Thomas Simnitt is living with his parents in this census:

    1861 England census
    Nottinghamshire, Newark
    District 2, page 21
    Address 23 Eldon Street

    John L. Simnitt Head Marr 73 Pipe maker/manf... (born) Nottinghamshire, Newark
    Ann Simnitt Wife Marr 68 (born) York. (Yorkshire?)
    Caroline Simnitt Dau Unmarr 45 (born) Nottinghamshire, Newark
    Thomas Simnitt Son W Scholar (born) Notts. Newark
    Feargus L. Wright Son 3 (born) Notts. Newark
    Ernest E. Wright Son 11 mo. (born) Notts. Newark

    So I assumed at first that Thomas Simnitt took in Emma Wright and her 8 children to care for them. But I was confused why she was listed as "unmarried" in the 1871 census instead of "widow". Then I found the 1861 census in Newark:

    1861 England census
    Nottinghamshire, Newark
    District 2, page 11
    Address: 26 Albion Street

    Emma Wright Head Unmarried 27 Clothes Process/dealer (born) Nottinghamshire, Newark
    John Thomas Wright Son 6 Scholar (born) Ditto, ditto
    George W. Wright Son 2 Ditto (born) Ditto, ditto
    Clara A. Wright Daughter 2 mo (born) Ditto, ditto

    Thomas Simnitt is living with his parents in this census:

    1861 England census
    Nottinghamshire, Newark
    District 2, page 21
    Address 23 Eldon Street

    John L. Simnitt Head Marr 73 Pipe maker/manf... (born) Nottinghamshire, Newark
    Ann Simnitt Wife Marr 68 (born) York. (Yorkshire?)
    Caroline Simnitt Dau Unmarr 45 (born) Nottinghamshire, Newark
    Thomas Simnitt Son Widower 39 Pipe Maker (born) Ditto, ditto
    Mary D. Simnitt Gr Dau Unmarr 22 (born) Ditto, ditto
    Maria Simnitt Gr Dau Unmarr 20 (born) Ditto, ditto

    Mary and Maria would be some of the children from Thomas Simnitt's first marriage. His first marriage would have to be checked in the 1851 and 1841 censuses to get additional information. Same applies for Emma Wright.

    I was able to locate all of the births of the children of Emma Wright under her last name. None of the children listed in the 1871 census were under the name of Simnitt or any variation of that spelling:

    Joseph G. Wright
    Birth registered 1866, 3rd quarter (July-Sept), Newark, Volume 7b, page 275

    Ernest Wright
    Birth registered 1870, 2nd quarter (Apr-June), Newark, Volume 7b, page 331

    Feargus Lincoln Wright
    Birth registered 1868, 1st quarter (Jan-Mar), Newark, Volume 7b, page 311

    Emily Wright
    Birth registered 1862, 3rd quarter (Jul-Sep), Newark, Volume 7b, page 282

    Rose Mary Wright
    Birth registered 1865, 1st quarter (Jan-Mar), Newark, Volume 7b, page 321

    Clara Annitta Wright
    Birth registered 1861, 1st quarter (Jan-Mar), Newark, Volume 7b, page 297

    George Walter Wright
    Birth registered 18idower 39 Pipe Maker (born) Ditto, ditto
    Mary D. Simnitt Gr Dau Unmarr 22 (born) Ditto, ditto
    Maria Simnitt Gr Dau Unmarr 20 (born) Ditto, ditto

    Mary and Maria would be some of the children from Thomas Simnitt's first marriage. His first marriage would have to be checked in the 1851 and 1841 censuses to get additional information. Same applies for Emma Wright.

    I was able to locate all of the births of the children of Emma Wright under her last name. None of the children listed in the 1871 census were under the name of Simnitt or any variation of that spelling:

    Joseph G. Wright
    Birth registered 1866, 3rd quarter (July-Sept), Newark, Volume 7b, page 275

    Ernest Wright
    Birth registered 1870, 2nd quarter (Apr-June), Newark, Volume 7b, page 331

    Feargus Lincoln Wright
    Birth registered 1868, 1st quarter (Jan-Mar), Newark, Volume 7b, page 311

    Emily Wright
    Birth registered 1862, 3rd quarter (Jul-Sep), Newark, Volume 7b, page 282

    Rose Mary Wright
    Birth registered 1865, 1st quarter (Jan-Mar), Newark, Volume 7b, page 321

    Clara Annitta Wright
    Birth registered 1861, 1st quarter (Jan-Mar), Newark, Volume 7b, page 297

    George Walter Wright
    Birth registered 1859, 2nd quarter (Apr-Jun), Newark, Volume 7b, page 306

    Thomas Wright
    Birth registered 1857, 2nd quarter (Apr-Jun), Newark, Volume 7b, page 324

    In the time period 1851 through 1871, I'm unable to find a marriage anywhere in England for Thomas & Emma. I can't even find a marriage for Thomas to anyone between 1851 and 1874.

    The very first record they appear as together under the name of Simnitt is their arrival from Liverpool at New York City on December 1, 1871, onboard the ship, "City of London":

    Page 3 & 4 of manifest

    Tho. Simnitt 52 Male (occupation) Miner (From) England
    Emma 38 Female Wife Ditto
    Thomas 15 Male None Ditto
    Walter 10 Male Child England
    Clara 7 Female Child Ditto
    Emma 6 Female Child Ditto
    Rose 5 Female Child Ditto
    Garibaldi 4 Male Child Ditto (I'm assuming this what the "G" in Joseph's name stands for)
    Feargus 2 Male Child Ditto
    Ernst (sic) 1 Male Infant Ditto

    It's possible he put his occupation as "miner" because h59, 2nd quarter (Apr-Jun), Newark, Volume 7b, page 306

    Thomas Wright
    Birth registered 1857, 2nd quarter (Apr-Jun), Newark, Volume 7b, page 324

    In the time period 1851 through 1871, I'm unable to find a marriage anywhere in England for Thomas & Emma. I can't even find a marriage for Thomas to anyone between 1851 and 1874.

    The very first record they appear as together under the name of Simnitt is their arrival from Liverpool at New York City on December 1, 1871, onboard the ship, "City of London":

    Page 3 & 4 of manifest

    Tho. Simnitt 52 Male (occupation) Miner (From) England
    Emma 38 Female Wife Ditto
    Thomas 15 Male None Ditto
    Walter 10 Male Child England
    Clara 7 Female Child Ditto
    Emma 6 Female Child Ditto
    Rose 5 Female Child Ditto
    Garibaldi 4 Male Child Ditto (I'm assuming this what the "G" in Joseph's name stands for)
    Feargus 2 Male Child Ditto
    Ernst (sic) 1 Male Infant Ditto

    It's possible he put his occupation as "miner" because he felt those skills would be more in demand in the US than a pipe maker. But the names of the children and ages almost match the 1871 England census for this family completely.

    I know this is alot of data to absorb but I believe it accurately represents your family history. Anyone else is certainly welcome to question my research. I've been researching for 39 years so the hope the quality of my research will speak for itself.

    If you need any additional assistance or have any questions, please let me know.

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    lsimnitt
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    Cary,

    I am Loren Simnitt. My great grandfather is Thomas Bartholomew Simnitt and my great grandmother is Emma Wright Simnitt (I too, cannot find record of their marriage except in her obituary it states she married him at age 19). In you post you stated:

    The very first record they appear as together under the name of Simnitt is their arrival from Liverpool at New York City on December 1, 1871, onboard the ship, "City of London":

    Page 3 & 4 of manifest

    Tho. Simnitt 52 Male (occupation) Miner (From) England
    Emma 38 Female Wife Ditto
    Thomas 15 Male None Ditto
    Walter 10 Male Child England
    Clara 7 Female Child Ditto
    Emma 6 Female Child Ditto
    Rose 5 Female Child Ditto
    Garibaldi 4 Male Child Ditto (I'm assuming this what the "G" in Joseph's name stands for)
    Feargus 2 Male Child Ditto
    Ernst (sic) 1 Male Infant Ditto

    It's possible he put his occupation as "miner" because he felt those skills would be more in demand in the US than a pipe maker. But the names of the children and ages almost match the 1871 England census for this family completely.

    I know this is alot of data to absorb but I believe it accurately represents your family history. Anyone else is certainly welcome to question my research. I've been researching for 39 years so the hope the quality of my research will speak for itself.

    If you need any additional assistance or have any questions, please let me know.


    I have been unable to find this manifest. Can you help me find this original documentation? I looked up the SS City of London and found a September 18, 1871 arrival at the Port of New York as being the last one of that year. I would be most appreciative of any help you could provide.

    Thanks,

    Loren

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    blueyeshorlicks
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    Dear Loren, My great great great Grandfather was Thomas Bartholomew Simnitt. But this was through his first wife Selina (Soar) and their daughter Maria Overton (Simnitt), my grandmother's grandmother.
    The family story over the years, is that Thomas B. spent some time (after having his first family with Selina) 'in an Asylum'. Then disappeared!! He had met Emma Wright in Newark and my great grandfather Richard Overton, (his grandson)...told my Mother that Emma and he started an affair, which must have been going on when he was admitted to the Asylum?? Or perhaps this was the excuse given to the family when he 'disappeared'!
    We have a paper photo-copy of two photos taken in the US of a gathering of people. Here is an idea (from Rachel Simnitt) of who might be in this photo. Thomas Batholomew & Partners; Emma Wright Simnitt, Elizabeth Ann Simnitt
    Children: William Feargus, Selina Emmett, John Thomas, George Walter, Clara Anita, Emily, Rose Marie, Joseph Garry Valda (Joseph Garibaldi), Fergus Lincoln, Ernest Jonas, Oceanie, Linney M and (William) Amos “Ammy”.
    Selina wasn't divorced from him and we have a death report, that when he died, he was back in the Asylum in Newark????
    Could you tell me whether this story concurs with yours..and could you tell me more about his life in America?

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    mslorette
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    Default another GGGGrandaughter of Thomas B Simnitt

    My name is Virginia Lorette Pope. My grandmother was Virginia May Simnitt. She was the daughter of Joseph Garibaldi Simnitt. His father was Thomas Bartholomew Simnitt. I have pictures of Joseph, Rosemary, George Walter and Fertus Simnitt, the children of Thomas and Emma Simnitt.

    Thomas and Etta settled in Green, Kansas. There are still Simnitts living and farming in Green.

    Joseph Garibaldi and Etta Anderson Simnitt moved from Kansas to Yale, Oklahoma. Joseph's brother Ernest Jonas Simnitt married Maggie Bell Anderson. She was the sister of Etta Anderson. So the brothers married sisters.

    I have sent you an email. I look forward to hearing from you.

    Jinni Lorette Pope

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    larkspur
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    Just to add to this, there is one baptism at Newark, Christ Church
    8 Feb 1855 John Thomas Simmitt, son of Emma Wright of Albion Street.

    Another interesting one
    18- Aug 1850 Thomas Chappell son of ANNA Wright, same church. Abode Mill Gate

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    lsimnitt
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    Sign into www.familysearch.org.
    Choose the "Tree" option at the top.
    Search for Thomas Bartholomew Simnitt.
    Click on his name, View him as a Person (compared with only the tree).
    Search through the Source information after you scroll down.
    You will find a wealth of information.
    This web site I have just referred you to is free of charge.

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    janbooth
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    From Notts FHS Baptismal Index:

    27 August 1819 at Newark Thomas Bartholomew SIMNET son of John & Ann SIMNET, Newark, Pipemaker, baptised

    Possible siblings:

    25 July 1812 at Newark Caroline SIMNITT daughter of John Lyne & Ann SIMNITT baptised
    26 February 1817 at Newark Mariann SIMNITT daughter of John & Ann SIMNITT, Newark, Pipemaker, baptised
    20 March 1822 at Newark Mariann SIMNITT daughter of John & Ann SIMNITT, Newark, Pipemaker, baptised

    24 February 1839 at Newark Mary Ann daughter of Thomas & Selina SIMNETT, Newark, Pipemaker, baptised
    2 September 1840 at Newark Maria SIMNITT daughter of Thomas & Selina SIMNETT, Newark, Pipemaker, baptised
    4 March 1844 at Newark Selina Emmett SIMNETT daughter of Thomas & Selina, Newark, Pipemaker, baptised


    From Notts FHS Marriage Index:

    2 September 1811 at Newark John Lyne SIMNITT & Ann HOWE
    13 December 1838 at Newark Thomas SIMNITT & Selina SOAR

    Hope this helps

    Janet

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